Nothing recent, the car is in the middle of a rebuild and I'm a pretty slack photographer. I found this on the web a few months back. Mine is identical black interior with the cloth seats, but I have recaros. Image Unavailable, Please Login
This photo of a 1975 930 Turbo parked by a sand covered road appeared in Peter Falks October 1980 Christophorus article on road testing. This same turbo also appeared in the February 1976 Christophorus article: With the Turbo through Tunesia. At some point, this guards red turbo (w/ Turbo decals, BB PX 466 plate) was updated with rear valence cooling vents, Deutschland decal covering the Turbo badge, and a tow hook inserted by the rear bumper pad. When it took the test ride through Tunesia in 1976 (NE N1 plates), it had 1200 miles on its clock and then covered 5500 miles though harsh conditions but the oil temperature never budged above 110° C. When it returned home, it only required a new locking button on the passenger door. Whereabouts today unknown...hopefully this turbo is a survivor. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
4G6308. Congrats on your silver 76. I'm pleased you sold your albert blue to CPR as i ended up purchasing it. CPR did just the right things to the car and it is absolutely amazing. Paint is stunning and it runs great. I would show pictures but i'm not sure how to attach. Sorry.
An article on Porsche quality testing appeared in the June 1976 issue of Christophorus. The article mentions the extra testing for the 930 Turbo: For our peak model, the Turbo 930, a special driving test in addition to the inspection drive is performed to check the exhaust turbocharger in all realms. Following this every car is subjected to an underbody check for possible oil leaks, outcrop of lines, proper seating of threaded fittings, etc. Once released by the inspection driver a car is splashed from all sides in the water box with attention to possible interior leaks. After a cleaning inside and out it is turned over to the sales department. A photo shows two black 76 930 Turbos fitted with protective plastic wrapping on the rear fenders (shark fins not yet installed) and top of the front bumper; another photo shows plastic wrap on the rear bumper. Additionally, another article photo shows the inspection on a finished 930/30 transmission. Often misunderstood and attacked by Porsche G50 antibodies, the 930 4-speed transmission was a incredible bulletproof design used on production 930s for homologation of the 934 and 935. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
1977 Turbo Carrera, chassis #930 780 0170 for sale on eBay for $35K. Unfortunately, it's molested beyond recognition - an unfortunate fate for so many 3-liter 930s. No affiliation. 1974 Porsche 911 RSR Spec Vintage Race Car | eBay Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ate, Alfred Teves GmbH, 1976 brake advertisement featuring a 3-liter Porsche 930 Turbo, plate F-PS 810. Image Unavailable, Please Login
No kidding...back in the 90s I had a 1977 Turbo that the previous owner had updated to a 1991 turbo look, including the ugly bumpers, replica speedline wheels, and a complete 964 interior. He also repainted it from ice green metallic to ferrari yellow! Still had the original engine but with an intercooler added. I got it really cheap, and it was fun to drive, but I sold it after 1 year as is my custom. I should try to track that car down...might be worth taking it back to original.
For sure, not everyone wanted the original look back then. Wanted them faster, which is not so bad even now if they were done with Porsche Motorsports racing parts, not stuff from the local speed shop. Some were changed for a more modern look but many were done from wrecks and the fiberglass aftermarket parts were cheaper. Values as they are today, might be a good idea to bring some back if free from wreck or salt damaged history. Hopefully some of the original parts that were removed will come to market now that they have a good value.
Preproduciton 1976 Turbo Carreras, 9306800011 and 9306800012, were both featured in the December 1975 issue of Hot VWs. The Euro rear bumper reflectors on 0012 are visible in the article's photos. In 1976, 0012 was snatched from the Los Angeles Road and Track parking lot and has not resurfaced to this day. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The August 1975, Rocky Mountain Region PCA newsletter featured a 3-page article on my 1975 930 Turbo. The cover photo was taken at 350 Broadway, a loans business in Denver, Colorado that was next door to the late Grady Clays Rennenhaus Porsche shop. Rennenhaus must have been an amazing place to visit in the 70s & 80s with a large vintage lighted Porsche dealership sign in the showroom along with an occasional visit of 904s, an Abarth Carrera, Carrera RSRs, and others. The strip mall is still in Denver but today, has no traces of the former Porsche glory (Google street view image below). The RMR articles author was Frank Barrett (also the photographer) and his introduction of The Ultimate 911 nicely captures the essence of the 930 Turbo: Youre sitting pretty in a rather jazzy looking 911 at a traffic light. Its idle is low, smooth, and subdued. A totally civilized automobile. The air conditioning wafts cool air around the black all-leather interior. With sunroof and electric windows sealed, you hardly notice the 650 Triumph come up alongside, its characteristic staccato English vertical twin exhaust throb barely cracking the pristine Porsches shell of sophisticated dignity. As you slip the gear lever forward into first, the light turns green and, amidst a cacophony of noise, the Triumph turns gone. You ease out the clutch and simultaneously squeeze the accelerator downwards. The car moves forward. Quickly. More quickly than any stock 911 should. The RPM climb as a smooth surge of power keeps you just behind the bike. Then, as the tachometer reaches about 3800 RPM, a giant hand suddenly descends from Heaven and flicks the Porsche ahead, pressing you back into your seat. At 6800 you shift into second and do it all again. Very soon you are past the astonished Trumpet rider and appreciating that special rush that until now only a Cobra driver has experienced. Zero to sixty in under 5 seconds in the new Turbo Porsche. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The April 1975, Sport Auto cover featured preproduction Viper Green Metallic 1975 930 Turbo, 930 570 0014 (1974 Paris Motor Show car). The car featured for the magazine’s article was Comet Diamant 1975 930 Turbo, S-CH 8158. It’s interesting that neither of these cars have reemerged for the Turbo’s 40th anniversary - perhaps an ominous sign that they are in states of disrepair or simply not survivors. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Schlösser GmbH spoiler ad from a 1976 Christophrus: Rear and front spoiler made of fiberglass reinforced polyester un PVC composite construction. Image Unavailable, Please Login
A friend has an early SC with what looks to be a Whale Tail (with the two grills). It looked to me like it was laid up on top of the metal deck like I was told the originals are, but, I am nowhere near being an expert in this area. What are the markers to set an original 3.0 Whale Tail off from the pretenders and, are there any variations from '75 to '77? .
On the US air conditioned models, the bigger grill is functional as there is a condenser for the ac located in there. On the no ac models, I think it is an extra air inlet for the fan. Most replicas I've seen have a grill on top of the fiberglass.
Agree, lack of functional components or hardware is usually the best way to spot a reproduction. There were variations from 75-77 but all the factory 3-liter tails were fiberglass on a metal base. Additionally, the reproduction tails usually dont have a rear wiper attachment and the fake Porsche part number is usually in the wrong location or engraved/embossed in the fiberglass.
Here’s an additional photo of the early black Turbo with plate S-AZ 3030 that originally appeared in the July 1974 Auto Motor und Sport. This photo depicts more detail of the gold metallic Turbo decals, perforated brake discs, and Carrera RS 3.0 front and rear bumpers. Since S-AZ 3030 appeared in the July 1974 Auto Motor Sport, the production must have been before July 1974 (Mar-June ’74) making it very close to the production date of the silver "first" 911 Turbo with 2.7-liter engine later given to Louise Piëch and now in the Porsche Museum collection. The other possibility is that this black Porsche may be a Carrera RS 3.0 in turbo-guise much like the silver turbo at the 1973 Frankfurt Auto show. It does, however, have 1975 930 Turbo items fitted such as 7 & 8 inch Fuchs (vs.3.0 RS 8 & 9 inch Fuchs), 1975-style driver’s manual mirror, and shorter Carrera/930 Turbo rear tail instead of the longer tail fitted to the 3.0 RS. Additionally, the perforated brakes on S-AZ 3030 may actually be Carrera RS 3.0 floating rotors (Weissach term – short track 917) vs. the smaller fixed-hat perforated brakes that were fitted to preproduction 1975 Turbo’s such as S-CD 1337. If S-AZ 3030 is a Carrera RS 3.0, then it illustrates just how similar the Carrera RS 3.0 flares were to the production 930 Turbos (Carrera RS 3.0’s had lighter gauge metal in the flares). As a side note, the interior of the Carrera RS 3.0 also had similar features to the early Turbo’s such as a speaker on top of the dash pad, fat 3-spoke steering wheel, and similar instrument panel gauges. The Carrera RS 3.0 dash also had “deletes” for the clock, radio, and glove box lid (see 1974 Christophorus RS 3.0 image below). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks, I looked for A/C or evidence of removal of it in the rear box but do not remember seeing anything. I will look to see if the grill is on top or in the fiberglass lay-up next time I see the car. Thanks, I looked for evidence of mounting plates/holes in the rear box and mid-rear left where I thought I remembered the WW Motor was mounted but do not recall seeing anything. Based on your replies I am thinking the one I saw to be a repro.
Wow, I've never seen gold/brown Turbo graphics! Those even look like they have metallic flakes in them.
Here’s another image of the white 1975 930 Turbo with red/orange turbo decals. This may be another preproduction car. It’s unclear if these 1975 preproduction models would have counted for the requisite 500 (then 400) 930 Turbo production cars required for homologation in accordance with Appendix “J” to the International Sporting Code. Appendix J is very specific (for all three years from 1974-1976) and required that the cars used for homologation would be for “Normal Sale” with a means the distribution of cars to individual purchasers through normal channels of the manufacture. Another restrictive requirement was that the coachwork for a series production car used for homologation be identical with the only exception being a sun roof. The ’74-76 FIA rules have an interesting tie to Porsche Turbo racing history as you study the period from 1974 with the 2.1 liter Turbo RSR, to 1976 with the 934, 935 and 936 race cars. The regulations changed quite a bit from 1974 to 1976 with rules added for turbo charged displacement engines, weight requirements, and a change from 500 to 400, 930 Turbo production cars required for Group 4 (934) and Group 5 (935) homologation. In the 1976 Appendix J rule, you can see the change that allowed Norbert Singer’s team to exploit the fact that the fenders (wings) were free, allowing for the dominating 935 design for Group 5 racing. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here is a link to a discussion about the British 1975 3.0 litre turbo that is coming to auction next week. DDK - Die Deutschen Klassiker ? View topic - Nice early 3.0 turbo
Wow that's a real cool car much like the Frankfurt show car. Those aren't 930 flares ... It's a pretty good bet there are 3.0 rs types. Rs 3.0 came with both long and short tails since the long ones protrude beyond the rear bumper which were deemed illegal in Germany as I recalled.
Agree, it's probably a Carrera RS 3.0 without a turbo charged engine as otherwise; Louise Piëch’s silver 911 Carrera would not be the first 911 Turbo. The RS 3.0 may have slightly different flares but you can really see the DNA to the production 930s. If S-AZ 3030 is a RS 3.0, it was fitted with many more production 930 parts than the Frankfurt show car as even the seats appear to be production Recaros. The smaller 7 and 8 inch Fuchs really transform the car and make it look like an early 930. Additionally, S-AZ 3030 has 930 rocker panels that were not on the Carrera RS 3.0’s. The Frankfurt show car and Louise Piëch silver 911 Carrera are well known but what about S-AZ 3030? Is this car’s chassis number mentioned in John Starkey’s Porsche R to RSR book?
Remember that the 1974 Carrera 3.0 RS came in two guises: the race and street versions. These are different. Notably the street version came with a full 1974 interior like a 1975 Turbo would have had, plus it had the single driver side street mirror. So S-AZ 3030 could have easily been a street Carrera 3.0 RS that just had the gold decal, 7J/8J Fuchs, whaletail the rocker panels added, and Carrera decal moved ... presumably for early photographs to build buzz before the 930 became available.
