Max spewing from the gutter in attempt to deflect from the merits and realities ... generally signals desperation
Sorry. Couldn't resist. LOL. Yes, Max sure has great leader CG Jong-un's party line and tactics memorized. It's all, as they say, blah blah blah.
Max Vito, who are you? You misspell "final" just Gardner does - finial. You misspell "principal" just like Gardner does - principle. You try to claim I had no experience with Ferrari's and I show you in 1988 I am acquiring a $250,000 Ferrari Daytona in a trade for a brand new Ferrari Testarossa. I buy from Gardner's former employer Mr. Simmons. Simmons owned the shop where Gardner had worked. Gardner was proud of how he could triple-plate chrome, polish, chrome, polish . . . so as not to lose the engraved makers marques on, for example, a headlite cone. Simmons thought Gardner was a good worker - a good employee. I may as well set you straight here and now about French Cars. I first taught Gardner about pre-war French cars and French design in the late 80's . . . Talbot, Darracq, Delage, Delahaye . . . Gardner referred to me as his professor for those marques. As an Architect, I was instantly drawn to them, studied them, the fantastic custom Figoni Falaschi coachwork, appreciated their sculptural design, their engineering, rarity, and value. At the same time that I was building my library and studying these profound examples, Gardner focused on Mercedes and frumpy English cars. Later Gardner would adopt MY preferences as if his own. Years after that Gardner asks me to write a book on Talbot Lagos and tries to recruit me to manage a boutique micro-car company. But you should already know all that, because you have my "disposition." Stuck in one of my many books is the attached receipt for but a few of my books from pretty far back - note the marques - Talbot - Darracq - Delahaye - Delage. I think I already had Bugatti and many, many other European marques. So, Max Vito, come out of hiding from behind your computer. Tell all why you seem so hell-bent on the personal attacks, even on an innocent heiress and her sisters. Post your true identity. Own it. And see if you can find out and share why the change to Christopher Charles in recent internet posts of late. http://www.thevrl.com/profile/ChristopherCharles https://twitter.com/onebugatti Joe * Image Unavailable, Please Login
I just noticed you have over 59,000 posts! Are you kidding? at 5 min. per post that's enough hours to build or restore a Spitfire or build a Ferrari. You need to get out more often.
Maybe Ive got it all wrong? I don't think so! Before I start..How the hell did Gardner trust you in the first place? You must be one 'smooth operator'... Your posting old Gardner receipts and contracts in which you acted as an employee for Gardner is just great. Its real evidence that you are indeed 'top dog' of the classic car community. Thats real evidence. Are you kidding! There is not one situation in your life that you can stand out without having Gardner as your principle. He is on everything you ever did for one reason you worked for him and he was your employer. I am positive you will have a chance in court to show how such an expert as you claim operates. We all see your antics here on this thread. From my view, start to finish, its clear you have always acted in Gardners interest with him as the principle from the 1980s all the way up to the day he sent you to Kristie Kleve to buy the Ferrari parts for him. Your only Ferrari contact was acting for Gardners car businesses. You have no transactions or ownership interest in any Ferrari car that is not tied into Gardner, and the time you worked for him. Nor have you ever sat in a Ferrari in fact. When you went out on your own in the car world, you were known for rusty MGs then you quickly and switched to the Unauthorized Practice of Law charging people like Gardner for fiduciary lawyers fees, and chasing new partners like Big Dog Tom Price and other known collectors of the car community. Its this entire gang , complying with the trail of emails and false affidavits that you promised to compensate for their RICO game against your principle Gardner. The fleas you carried are on all those big dogs now. Keep scratching them , its your future now. Your only publication was a thesis book you did as a school project. Your mother bought most of the copies, she still has them listed on Ebay. Although this thread should be about the car, we should back track some to clean up the lies youve told against Jacques Swaters. Can you please post the photos of the re-numbering stamping of the chassis plate and frame showing 0394AM ? It will be a start to show how your use of this thread to create a fraud on the entire Ferrari community took hold and put you into a court position that exploded in your face. If we believe the truth about who you are, it will be easy to see your entire scheme and plan here. You are now actually the center of the thread, Joseph L. Ford III, fraudster. Nothing to do with the title of the Ferrari 375 Plus. I think we all get it, apart from your dinky collector cheering trio. (And you know who you are) Gardner witnessed his own transaction, the Daytona deal was never Fords, Ford didnt know what a Daytona was, as he didnt know what a 375 was. Ford worked full time for Gardner in 1988, and in 2006 came on with his law license to continue. Gardner used Ford to do contracts and source cars for Gardner, and hammer down deals. Gardner also did business with Ferrari Los Gatos, ( several 300SLs) who he did the deal with providing the Daytona/TR exchange. Ford had Zero contacts in the car business. Only using Gardners funds and business contacts, Ford worked for Gardner as he was instructed. 'Simple as That'. The Daytona, owned by Bill Simmons was exchanged by Los Gatos in the deal. Ford had no role as a principle, he was Gardners agent, and 'yes man' At that time in 1988, and as now, Ford was hungry and desperate. The deal was done this way because Simmons wife could not agree for CG to buy the Daytona for personal reasons involving Simmons 52 Hinckley Racing Yacht. She was pissed off at that, Gardner sold it. Same deal with the Kleve Ferrari, Gardner sent Ford in to contract on his behalf. Hence, Ford writes in John Doe Car Collector into the 375 plus deal. That John Doe was Gardner, recovering from a fairly serious bone transplant while Ford is empting his hard-drives while repairing cabinet trim in Gardners house. I heard a good quote at Goodwood, in that auction tent : Joe Ford is a born looser, doomed to fail. Failure and self destruction is in his DNA .
Same: Chris Gardner Max Vito Onebugatti Last time I looked, incarcerated, and not related: mbzgurl flobert ?
Same Christopher C. Gardner ? 894 F.2d 708: United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Christopher C. Gardner, Defendant-appellant :: US Court of Appeals Cases :: Justia Extract: " On or about the dates listed below ... CHRISTOPHER C. GARDNER, did knowingly and willfully falsify, conceal, and cover-up by trick, scheme, and device material facts in a matter within the jurisdiction of the United States Customs Service, an agency of the United States; in that he submitted, and caused and aided and abetted the submission of Customs Forms ... and EPA Declaration Forms 3520-1, for the purported purpose of importing non-conforming Mercedes Benz and BMW automobiles into the United States on the behalf of the individual owner/importer listed below, when in truth and fact as he then well knew, the listed importer had no ownership interest in the automobile imported into the United States, rather, the defendant CHRISTOPHER C. GARDNER being the true owner and importer ..
I wish to formally declare that I am now supporting team Belgium Contingent The recent treads from the Ohio Contingent are fascinating but lead me to the conclusion that Florence Swaters splitting 50% of the proceeds to settle an injustice involving her father was both a fair and respectful outcome. If it comes to a London Court I will certainly be there to watch the finial.......sorry......final
An interesting case from the "gray market" bad old days of the '80s. According to the opinion of the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in the link, in 1989 Gardner was charged with 10 instances of importing non-federalized German cars, through the fraudulent use of an EPA loophole which excused compliance from EPA regulations if the "importer" intended the car for personal use. Turbo Porsches and AMGs come to mind. Gardner's scheme was to pay $50 to straw men, to falsely pose as the importers with respect to these cars. Gardner pleaded guilty to two counts, with a reservation of the right to appeal. Gardner's argument on appeal was that the person who signs the U.S. Customs paperwork as the importer of the car need not be the owner of the car. The court disagreed, and affirmed Gardner's two criminal convictions. According to the Court, because the EPA loophole is available only to an individual importing the car for personal use, and because Gardner's straw men did not meet this requirement, "Gardner's scheme was designed to conceal a material fact from the United States." I'm not going to say this was OK. But we must also admit that the gray market of the 80s had a lot of gray areas. The emissions performance of many of the cars that did receive EPA sign-offs was marginal. Many certified cars were promptly divested of the add-ons as soon as they cleared customs. Few on the road today continue to retain this gear. In fact it's a violation of EPA regulations to "tamper" with *any* emissions equipment on *any* emissions-controlled car. Advancing your timing a couple degrees beyond factory spec, or rejetting your carburetors, are likely to make you a tamperer. Removing catalytic convertors would do it for sure. Of course no one on this board would do these things. But Porsche and Mercedes-Benz owners just might.
They also arrive in a flurry - usually 3-4 at a time, just to inflate your post count I guess? Anyway, Max you are going to need more than character assassinations to advance the conversation. Another thing - I'm certainly not a member of the Joe Ford Fan Club. I think you're all a bunch of despicable vultures, except thankfully the carcass wasn't quite dead anymore when you all bothered to get involved. >8^) ER
No, it took awhile for me to master 'multiple quotes', and I am not "here" all time. Often as I read thru a thread to "catch up" I respond to posts as I read them. The end result is the format the world sees. The brain damage from past accidents doesn't help.......like the NFL concussion study shows, every one "takes a little bit away".. For Max not BEING Chris Gardner, he sure knows a lot, about Chris Gardner!! The last post contains personal attacks, in violation of Forum rules, even though they are styled as third party attribution....weak Max..really weak. Is that all you got???
Weaker still, buddy. I get out plenty, but thanks for asking....dinner tomorrow night with some fellow chat members, and we are going to laugh at YOU! How is that??
You mean "posts" into "this thread".. Why were they so worried about getting the "last parts" do you think? They had most of the car via prior theft, Kleve had gone to the FBI, and he certainly had the ability to reproduce the rest. Really, all his efforts to reclaim the original engine from America, it would have been faster to just have Classiche cast the block and build it? It's obvious to me that Swaters at some point, became fixated with completing this car. Why??? Not much left of Max Vito but wild flailing and vitriol.....he's done. He hasn't brought any hard facts in here since he started really, just taunts and insults.
Surely some hurt feelings displayed. Normally, that's by the losers in a conflict, but Max Vitos posts sound more like boasts from the winning side (the Auction Team), but have they truly won?? Ocean Joe has always SEEMED to share the inside view, from the Kleve side, historical videos and transcripts, and that has been interesting to see. Hard to say, as if Bonhams is called on what seems to have transpired, it would certainly do damage to reputation. Real world damage. Whoever comes out on the bottom of this fiasco is gonna stay there a long time. IMO.
Although Max is getting away with murder on this board with the personal attacks. Maybe cut that back a little. Then wait on the court battles to move along.
Agreed intelligent people come down in both camps. The OC or BC camp to me is not so important. This thread involves much history of 0384. Temper the trolls.
Bonhams sold the car, in spite of failure to do so per the original agreement, 50/50 split deal. It had timed out, and each side is blaming the other (has to do with retrieval of the OEM hood and a few other bits, gas tank) They built a wire frame display stand for these items (Bonhams) so, hard to tell where fault lies, in any event, the agreement was voided by the calendar..... Joe warned them, Ohio court placed a hold on the sale, they did it anyway. Chris Gardner found some lawyers to file claim in Ohio, to the 50%, that was to go to Kleves daughters. Some one bought the car for big bucks, (albeit reduced value from the stench of death of original parties, ongoing title dispute) but Bonhams can't give him clear title, see note above. Chance if Joe loses, the Kleve's heirs are cut out entirely, by Gardners claims... Tune in tomorrow for As The Ferrari Wheel turns!
