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I bet they started the lap with a full battery charge, therefore that mpg rating is not correct. For it to be real the car needs to start the lap with no stored energy.

Actually to be fair both energy sources need to have their true cost to get the "fuel" into the car, ie:
1. How much energy did the planet consume to get that full tank of petrol there and in that car?
2. How much energy did the planet consume to get that full battery charge there and in that car? This highlights that green electricity production is required for these cars to be good for the planet.

Pete

 

I don't think any of us care, it's a stupid record for nutters

 

Fixed.

The electricity for your scooter comes from the dirtiest, brown coal burning, power station in the Southern Hemisphere. The very power station that Labor's carbon tax was going to buy back and decommission. Then Swan found that his Canberra advisors hadn't done their sums right and the buy-back was quietly forgotten.

 

YAWN

 

What about the people with full electric cars that have already done laps? I'm sure some Tesla owners have, there's a YouTube video of a Renault Zoe (FFS), and Toyota themselves even did a 7:47 with an electric Radical-alike thingy:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8vEEqcuZDs]Electric Toyota Race Car: Stuns Nordschleife Lap - YouTube[/ame]

 

Not to mention that even the dirtiest crappiest current coal power station is still almost certainly much cleaner than a horde of however many hundred thousand (or million) scooters it would power...

 

A dubious argument, because Hazelwood emits millions of tonnes of Sulphur, which then blows out to sea and acidifies the ocean. A petrol ICE produces miniscule SO2.

From the interweb:

The Hazelwood 8x200Mwe output capacity local coal/lignite-firing thermal power plant was built in early 1970's.

The plant was privatized in 1996. The parent company International Power (GDF Suez and Mitsui) paid U.S. $2.35 billion for the 1600 MWe (1470 MWe net) thermal power plant. The new owner paid the price, continued operation, generated electricity, sold to the grid, and earned money.

Today Hazelwood is still on the list of the world’s most polluting TPPs based on CO2 emission per generated kW-hour electricity. The desired environmental emissions figures have not yet been fulfilled. However, the plant has received extensions for the rehab period and was also granted an extension to operate until 2030. Had the plant not been privatized it was scheduled for closure in 2005 because of the huge, ongoing air pollution as well as water and land pollution.

 

And sulfur is the only pollutant, while "miniscule" doesn't need to be quantified and multiplied out, I guess.

Also:

I can't tell from a veeeery cursory search if that number is up or down since 2003, but what you're saying is that 10+% of the input mass is output as sulfur? Since most places seem to suggest that there's up to around 5% sulphur in (just about any form of) coal, that seems odd. Not impossible if the numbers have changed and/or Victorian lignite is particularly high in sulfur, just...odd.

Finally, what you appear to be saying is that a) it's all a big beat-up and a scam, but also b) this power station is horribly polluting and OMG it's an ecodisaster. I'm not sure both those arguments can be reconciled with each other!

 

I never answer the hard questions.

 

This will be my electric ride, with shields of course.
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Brown coal (lignite) has the highest sulphur content and produces more particulate pollution than black coal, whilst being lower in energy content. It is an environmental disaster, as is all coal. Look up respiratory illness in the Hunter Valley since the NSW state (Labor) govt approved open cut mining. I'm anti coal, pro-gas and pro-nuclear.

a) there is no evidence that increasing CO2 levels exacerbate natural temperature cycles. It was an interesting theory 20 years ago that hasn't been born out in observed data. CO2 levels in the past have risen after warming, not before. When it comes to threats to the future of humanity, we are chasing the wrong demon, but that is another story.

b) Hazelwood is a national embarrassment.

 

4l per 100km for a scooter? That doesn't sound very economical?

 

Can I uninvite you to dinner on sat?

 

FFS, this is a Ferrari forum.

 

Surprised. An ex of mine had a small scooter he used around town (max distance probably a 3k trip!) but it seemed to run forever on a tank of fuel.