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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Steve, Jul 14, 2014.

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  1. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    David
    #101 VIZSLA, Jul 16, 2014
  2. mseals

    mseals Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Sep 9, 2007
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    #102 mseals, Jul 16, 2014
  3. docmirror

    docmirror Formula Junior

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    781
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    #103 docmirror, Jul 16, 2014
    Subscribed. This is fun. I was internetz shopping for few different cars, and this guy popped up a few days ago.

    Wondering if the OPs car has "about 14000mls" as the CL ad says? This would be one more thread to unravel that it was not another car, and an honest mistake in the VIN(which is about as likely as losing six hard drives in the span of a few weeks).

    I was gonna fly over to KELY and ask him to collect me at the airport so I could pick the Ferrari/Porsche I want from him - but it's too hot today. :) (tongue, firmly in cheek)
     
  4. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Advising Moderator
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    Andrew
    #104 NeuroBeaker, Jul 16, 2014
  5. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

    Oct 31, 2003
    4,706
    #105 Wolfgang5150, Jul 16, 2014
  6. GatorFL

    GatorFL Moderator
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    #106 GatorFL, Jul 16, 2014
    Thread of the month!
     
  7. pshep138

    pshep138 Formula 3
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    Apr 20, 2013
    1,390
    The Midwest
    #107 pshep138, Jul 16, 2014
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    I was completely with this thread until I saw that the 100% legit seller (sarcasm) updated his web page. I believe my reaction when I visited the webpage was something along the lines of, "What in the actual ****?"

    Pretty desperate ploy on his part.
     
  8. pshep138

    pshep138 Formula 3
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    #108 pshep138, Jul 16, 2014
    If someone can get the seller's cell phone number, I can make his life somewhat unpleasant for a short while. It probably won't do anything productive, but it could at least be good for some giggles.
     
  9. Steve

    Steve Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
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    #109 Steve, Jul 16, 2014
    Two noteworthy updates (both of of which are on my blog post).

    1) He updated his webpage to say I'm from Washington, instead of Oregon... which means he's reading my blog! LOL - awesome.

    2) The craigslist ad has been "deleted by its author." ;)

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/4564153802.html

    Awww... sad face.
     
  10. Steve

    Steve Formula Junior

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    #110 Steve, Jul 16, 2014
    Oh, and also... mail sent to sales@ and mark@ rogclassics.com (both of which worked yesterday) now bounce with:

    :)
     
  11. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2008
    41,692
    Sarasota
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    #111 VIZSLA, Jul 16, 2014
    Must have "sold" it.
     
  12. Steve

    Steve Formula Junior

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    #112 Steve, Jul 16, 2014
  13. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    #113 MisterMaranello, Jul 16, 2014
    Wow, just saw this thread. Then I managed to visit rogclassics.com...

    Holy ****.

    I've got some entertaining catching up to do ahead of me.
     
  14. ar4me

    ar4me F1 Rookie
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    Apr 4, 2010
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    #114 ar4me, Jul 16, 2014
  15. NousDefions

    NousDefions F1 Veteran

    Nov 7, 2009
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    #115 NousDefions, Jul 16, 2014
    I'm dense, but what's the scam? How would he profit from this, since he turned down deposits and such? How does he walk away with money if he can't produce a car to show?
     
  16. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #116 AceMaster, Jul 17, 2014
    Well played, Steve ;)
     
  17. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    #117 PSk, Jul 17, 2014
    Yes I'm confused too????
    Pete
     
  18. IDriveM5

    IDriveM5 F1 Rookie

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    #118 IDriveM5, Jul 17, 2014
    I read the whole blog post - I just couldn't stop. A nice piece of work.
    I wonder what's going on in Ely, NV today....
     
  19. mwr4440

    mwr4440 Five Time F1 World Champ
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    #119 mwr4440, Jul 17, 2014
    Low asking price? Really?

    $500,000, is what they are going for around here.


    At least the last two sold I know of sold for around EU 325K-350K.
     
  20. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    #120 MisterMaranello, Jul 17, 2014
    US spec cars are worth more, for what should be obvious reasons.
     
  21. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #121 AceMaster, Jul 17, 2014
    They are going for $750,000-$1,000,000
     
  22. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #122 ross, Jul 17, 2014
    find one at that price today mark, and sell your house to buy it......;)
     
  23. Steve

    Steve Formula Junior

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    #123 Steve, Jul 17, 2014
    Thx. :)

    My guess is nothing is going on in Ely today. I don't even think "Mark" is or ever was there. I think it's possible he was running his scam from outside the country and using VoIP phone services with an Ely prefix. He was clearly using a fake Ely street address. But if he was there, or was planning on being there today, I'm certain his plans have changed. :)

    I can only guess at what the "scam" really was going to be in its fully developed form. I was certain from the get-go that there was never a car, but him defacing his own website and changing his phone messages confirms that it was a fraud. However, I have no clue how he was going to try and make money.

    My guess is that something would have happened so that interested customers "just missed out" on this "fantastic opportunity," but that they could make a deposit on "the next one."

    Or maybe it was a bait and switch, and "what do I have to do to get you into this fantastic Honda accord?"

    Or maybe it was a play to lure wealthy individuals -- along with the checkbooks he seemed insistent they bring -- to a small town in the middle of nowhere, take them to a "warehouse," force them to write checks at gunpoint, then keep them tied up long enough to cash them. Or maybe even worse...

    Mark's insistence that he wasn't (yet?) asking for a deposit could have been some strange tactic to engender trust and lure them in. But there had to be some scam element to it, because if it were just a joke, he wouldn't have been so angry that I broke it up.

    Or maybe he's just an idiot.

    The latter seems highly likely.
     
  24. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Advising Moderator
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    #124 NeuroBeaker, Jul 17, 2014
    It could be that he was just a sad individual who got his kicks by wasting the time of the wealthy through luring them out on pointless trips to the middle of nowhere. I can't see how he was going to profit without trying to take deposits.

    Whatever the case, clearly he has issues.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  25. Steve

    Steve Formula Junior

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    #125 Steve, Jul 17, 2014
    Step 1: Arrange for a group of wealthy people to show up in a small town in the desert
    Step 2: Put them all inside your SUV under the guise of taking them to the secret location where you've stored the car
    Step 3: Produce a gun
    Step 4: Profit

    I'm not saying it was a GOOD plan... :)
     
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