Wanted: 93/94 RS America

Hello, I'm looking for an RS America. Any color, low miles and in unraced stock form. Thanks for any help. Would love to buy one from an individual, am not a dealer, and will DRIVE it...

Sincerely,

Rick

 

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The fly yellow one only has 44K miles. But is someone really willing to drop $200K for one?

 

I hear ya and saw that one... holy schmolly, is that guy high? 44K miles is not exactly low mileage either...

 

This car was offered to me for $165k 2 weeks ago.

In 14 days its gone up $34k?

For the money that RS Americas seem to be wanting, a GT3 RS is a better car in every regard imaginable, and without wishing to offend anyone, I find the current pricing of RSAs to have rendered them redundant for me.

 

There's a black one on Pelican Parts for sale.

 

I agree joe, but... 2 things... they are air cooled and the market likes them. I think they are rarer than GT3RS's too. 700 or so total.

 

my good....... these things were $45k several years ago ?

might be time to sell my 94 speedster....

 

You have to make yourself happy!

 

From memory, they are not as raw as the european RS no?

 

Have you seen this one? Dealer claims this RS is one of the nicest examples in existence.

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check out page 69 and on… Basically the Euro RS had lightened door panels and 10 more HP due to a blue printed engine and chip. The RSA was just as fast I believe due to overall less weight. The less weight overall was due to having only 4 or 5 options total where the Euro had many. Also RSA had a fixed wing instead of that auto up and down 964 C2 wing.

I'll take an RSA!

 

I do believe the suspension on the Euro RS is different than the RSA also. The RSA had the M030 suspension. When I had my RSA the PCA scale weighed it at 2850 with no spare tire and the carpets pulled out. So yes they are light compared to piggish 964's.

This one was mine:

http://www.rsamerica.net/gallery/markb_of_il.htm

 

I've had 2 RSAs. Nice cars, but nowhere near a real RS that the RoW got. I also had a Euro 964 Cup. The US Carrera Cups were super rare as only 45 were ever produced for the aborted race series.

Carrera RS variantsEdit

In 1992, Porsche produced a super-lightweight, rear-wheel-drive only version of the 964 dubbed Carrera RS for the European market. It was based on Porsche's 911 "Carrera Cup" race car and harked back to the 2.7 and 3.0 RS and RSR models. It featured a revised version of the standard engine, titled M64/03 internally, with an increased power output of 260 bhp (194 kW; 264 PS) and lightweight flywheel coupled to the G50/10 transmission with closer ratios, asymmetrical Limited Slip Differential and steel syncromesh. A track-oriented suspension system with 40 mm (1.6 in) lower ride height, stiffer springs, shocks and adjustable stabilizer bars without power steering (RHD UK cars did have power steering).


Porsche 964 Carrera RS
A stripped-out interior devoid of power windows or seats, rear seats, air conditioning, cruise control, sound deadening or a stereo system (optionally fitted) and new racing-bucket front seats were part of the package. The trunk hood was made of aluminum, the chassis was seam welded and sound deadening was deleted. Wheels were made of magnesium and the glass was thinner in the doors and rear window. The Carrera RS is approximately 345 pounds (155 kg) lighter than the US version Carrera 2 model. Also available were a heavier Touring variant (with sound deadening, power seats (optional), undercarriage protection and power windows) and an N/GT racing variant with a stripped, blank metal interior and a roll cage. They also came with optional lights on the visors.

A later ultra-limited production version, the Carrera 3.8 RS featuring the Turbo body and a 300 bhp (224 kW; 304 PS) 3.8 litre version of the M64 motor was sold briefly in Europe.[1] This engine was bored out by 2 mm for a total of 3,746 cc, and was also available in a more powerful competition version called the 3.8 RSR.[1]

The Carrera RS was not sold in the USA because Porsche Cars North America felt the car's aggressive tuning was not suited to the American market. In 1992, 45 USA-legal cars that were very similar to the Carrera RS were imported to the USA for a proposed "Porsche Carrera Cup" racing series. This Carrera Cup series was to function as a support race for the American CART racing series just as European Carrera Cup has supported Formula One.

These 45 cars were identical to a Carrera RS other than having airbags (with required electric windows), alarm system, American lighting, American bumpers, aluminum wheels, and standard seats. The cars otherwise had the lightweight seam welded chassis, lightweight interior trim, aluminum hood, lightweight door glass, suspension, brakes, G50/10 transmission and M64/03 engine etc. of the Carrera RS. These cars were approximately 200 pounds (90 kg) lighter than a normal USA Carrera 2 model.

The plan was for Andial, the then equivalent of what is now Porsche Motorsport USA, to convert these cars to full racing specification, however, due to lack of sponsor support for the Carrera Cup series, it was cancelled before it began. The 45 cars imported to the USA for this series were then sold, quietly without any advertising so as not to compete with the new RS America, through normal dealer channels. These cars were supplied with a dash plaque which indicated that they were the "Carrera Cup USA Edition".


Porsche RS America in speed yellow
In order to please devoted American 911 enthusiasts who wanted an RS model, Porsche produced the RS America. The RS America was produced as a model year 1993 and 1994 car based on the USA Carrera 2. The cars were offered in standard colors red, black and white and optional colors midnight blue metallic and polar silver. Several paint to order cars were manufactured in speed yellow. The RS America featured a distinctive "whale tail" spoiler, a partially stripped interior with flat door panels (from the European RS) and carpeting along with a luggage shelf replacing the rear seats. Cloth covered sports seats, 17 inch wheels and M030 Sports Suspension were fitted as standard. The logo "RS America" was written on the deck lid along with an "RS" logo in front of the rear wheels. Deleted to save weight were power steering, cruise control, powered side mirrors, air-conditioning, sunroof and radio, although the air-conditioning, sunroof and radio as well as a limited slip differential could be ordered as options. The RS America was listed by Porsche as weighing 2,954 pounds (1,340 kg), 77 pounds (35 kg) lighter than the weight listed for a stock Carrera 2. The standard USA Carrera 2 brakes, engine and gearbox were used.

Engine
Engine Design: Air-cooled or oil-cooled, horizontally opposed (flat), dry-sump lubrication, rear-mounted engine
Displacement: 3,600 cc (220 cu in)
Cylinders: Six
Bore and Stroke: 3.94 x 3.01 in (100.0 x 76.4 mm)
Compression ratio: 11.3 : 1
Fuel/Ignition: Electronic fuel injection, DME controller, twin-spark with knock regulation
Crankshaft: Forged, 8 main bearings
Block and heads: aluminum alloy
Valve Train: Overhead cam, one per bank, double chain drive
Power: 191 kW/260 hp (SAE net) at 6,100 rpm
Torque: 312 N·m/230 lb·ft at 4,800 rpm

 

Echo Joe's sentiments. RS America is a redundant marketing package (not to offend anyone). If you can afford one buy the 964 Cup car that went to USA as it is the real RS or buy a real one imported into USA ($$$$). What do 4.0 RS go for these days? Wouldn't one of those be more desirable? (I personally think so).

 

Oh Canine64 has expressed it before I did! I wouldn't settle for RSA personally.

 

Rs man, 4.0s are, for a nice one, 360k. You are talking a completely diff league. Plus everyone know air cooled is where it's at, on the collector side. Thanks for the opinions on the RSA, and love the us version carrera cup 964, however the RSA is lightened and rare!

 

Didn't realise how expensive 4.0RS is these days..... as people say what floats your boat but seriously 200K for RSA is a bad joke....

 

Not necessarily.

 

Exactly
That is why RS 4.0's are almost double MSRP now .... Collectors !!!!!!

Bill

PS...I am the original owner of the 1994 RSA belonging to "Bill NC" with 0911 tag

 

That was my understanding. Close but no cigar.

 

Ok... Anything 1973 and before, look at how they've appreciated in a short rate. Not to mention 89 and below 930.
What ya got in water cooled, the 4.0 that's basically it.
The new ones have become huge too...
Maybe the caymen R could be a great long term buy...

 

That's not quite correct.

Any GT3 RS variant is a collectible, and in fact are all appreciating. The 3.6 RS, the 3.8 RS and the 4.0 RS are all bringing significantly more than they were a year ago. Collectors & enthusiasts alike are looking for them, and I am aware of at least half-a-dozen people who have acquired one in the past 6 months alone.

In fact, I recall that you yourself were looking for one in the not-too-distant past: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/porsche/453042-wanted-997-1-2007-8-gt3-rs.html

 

i'd get a good chuckle out of porsche back stepping and coming out with a manual GT3 again.....(i know they claim they are not)

 

YOu are right. Gotta love the new RS models, but gotta wonder about the volume they are pumping out. Cool cars yes, but backstepping solely because the #s support air-cooled. You got it, the watercooled RSs 'could' be great buys, but the market is supporting many more air cooled models. Point is, a more conservative fellow will pick an air cooled all day long... If you have larger nads, you go with something more modern that rips, and might have upside.

I like em all, just looking for the one that suits. Just read an artile about how the 80s Carreras are the brindge from old technology/design, to new. Gotta love those. Only a few rare ones in that group though.

Thanks!

 

Bill, does this PS mean you're going to sell me your RSA ???