Fabspeed parts made in Taiwan?

Gents! I think it is time to finalize these discussion. At least form me))) I've installed full fabspeed system on my F430. I bought this system because the price attracted me. I really do like the sound. Car runs little better. I don't feel dramatic increase in speed or throttle, but the sound, which was one of the main goal I wanted to achieve is achieved. Quality of the product - I cannot make any professional conclusion but from my point of view is ok. Now when I followed up every post here, I have a question- what I do. Do I have to install original exhaust ? Please advice me.

 

I hate to un dust this thread but I wanted to share this facts with all of you.

Fabspeed Motorsport "USA" doesn't build everything in house. They fabricate about 30% of their products in house...if that. The rest is overseas...Pacific rim if you all know what I mean. Joe use a company called Jim, but he also uses another company named "Lucky Chain" and another one called "Leing Fei" and yet another named "Everest". Fabspeed profit margins are shrinking, there are less pieces of the pie now a days compounded by the Asian markets wanting more money for goods so they can live the better "western" way of life and this is why Joe (the owner of the company) is desperate making videos trashing other companies.

You don't believe me?? Ok please check out this links.

http://www.importgenius.com/fr/impor...otorsports-usa

http://www.greatexportimport.com/b-f...osport/4712437

http://northamerica.tradeinfo365.com...84b22872ec3e63

http://www.importersinusa.com/compan...usa/232974.php

"You don't know what you are getting Ladies & gentlemen, the pictures don't lie" right Joe? ;-)

Anybody who can weld and fabricate can do what they are doing, the only thing that has really helped them get to where they are is marketing, Joe pumps large sums of cash into marketing so he can reel in the unsuspecting. For now they can afford the profit margins shrinking because they are so high, but as more of the pie gets taken the margins will thus come down and the people like Joe will go away.

They will always have their minions though, the customers they kiss butt to and offer video time to on their company marketing videos. Everybody have a price right???

Joe fired his only engineer who actually gave a damn about the products he was trying to make better for them...The guy was named (Chris), he was trying to standardize or create a protocol on how dyno testing was to take place at you know where (Asia). Joe was always after him because he said Chris was "wasting time", on the contrary Chris was testing already existing products but was finding out that instead of gaining horsepower that some of the products are actually costing horsepower...I guess Joe got tired of being shown that either his products were not making as much as he say or were actually LOSING HP...then it came to a head and he fired Chris because Chris would not back down and basically told Joe he is lying to the public.

 

Hmmmm....interesting. Go on please

 

Interesting indeed. BSKiller a former employee now whistle blower?

 

The pages quoted at 11:16pm last night by BSkiller have been taken down. What gives?

 

I used to work at a company that manufactured surgical instruments. From my memory (over a decade ago) the product had to have 51% of the manufacturing process completed or done in that country to be considered "Made In" and stamped so. Don't know if this is still the same now. So technically, the steel used could be made somewhere else, but the pattern/assembly/fit/finish could be completed in "Made In" country, thus contibuting to "Made In XYZ".

The issue here from reading the thread is not about product quality but about credibility from the manufacturer. I believe most people would prefer not to be mislead. So this comes down to being honest with the customers. Becuase if there is something misleading, claims such as warranties and performance gains can be questioned.

I've had several dealings with Fabspeed, unfortunately most not good, but they did at least attempt to correct the situation, although it took many conversations.

 

None of those links work. Also be careful or you'll go the way of Stef.
Alan

 

The URLs are most likely truncated, I bet none of them should have that many dots in the middle.

These should be the correct ones:
http://www.importgenius.com/importers/fabspeed-motorsports-usa
http://www.greatexportimport.com/b-fabspeed_motorsports/2687118
http://www.tradeinfo365.com/NorthAmerica/FABSPEED-MOTORSPORT.html
http://www.importersinusa.com/company/fabspeed-motorsport-usa/232975.php

 

Hey guys,

It seems that a lot of people are still trying to make some big stink about the fact that we import a handful of parts from various vendors around the world. This topic has been covered time and time again, and yet certain individuals continue to try to tarnish our reputation by bringing it up repeatedly on various forums. BSKiller has been banned 5 times from Rennlist in two days, he is just trying to stir the pot and has a personal vendetta against the owner, Joe. BSKiller has personally interfered with the means that I use to put food on the table for my family. I have dealt with SO many of you on this forum in all accounts. In person, over the phone, on live chat, via PM etc. I have always tried to make sure that each and every person has been taken care of to the best of my and the companies ability, which I am sure there are many who can agree to the fact.

We are not ashamed of the fact that we outsource certain parts of our products to vetted and qualified vendors overseas. However, to say that "Fabspeed parts are made in China" is a gross overstatement, and simply isn't true. That would be like saying that Ford is not an American car company because the plastic plugs in the wiring harness are made in China.

The simple fact is that 100% of our research, design, development, engineering, prototyping, and testing is done right here in-house. Once a product is perfected and ready to be taken to market, we work with our various vendors to figure out the best ways to manufacture the individual components of that particular system. In 85-90% of the cases, we end up actually fabricating the product completely in-house. In some cases, however, there are specialized vendors who are simply better-equipped to make a particular component. For example, we don't have the ability to make catalytic converter cores in-house. So we source those from HJS Germany, the leading manufacturer of cat cores worldwide and widely respected as the best in the industry. The same goes for any other component that we decide to source from other specialized production outfits. We don't simply find the cheapest manufacturer we can and place a big order. We work with trusted vendors who have proven themselves capable of making very high quality pieces from the same materials we use, and who hold themselves to the same standards of quality and construction.

We are as American of a company as any other, and we're very proud of what we do here. I can't speak to anything that has been done or said in the past, but what I can tell you is that we (the employees of Fabspeed) are all very dedicated to what we do, and we make every effort to design and manufacture a fantastic product line at a reasonable price point.

It's been said before, but I will echo it again. We welcome anyone who is interested to come and visit our facility and see first-hand all of our systems being built right here by our skilled and devoted welders, machine operators, and engineers.

I am actually personally in the middle of putting together a "How It's Made" style video of our entire Porsche Twin Turbo Supersport X-Pipe System being fabricated from raw parts and components. I filmed it over the last three days, and should have it together and posted up later today.

In the meantime, you can watch our Ferrari F12 Sport Cats being designed and fabricated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brd2nts2g3Q

I hope this helps to clear up some of the misconceptions. There is nothing that we're trying to hide, and nothing that we're intentionally misrepresenting. When we say that our products are made in the USA, it's because they truly are. Sure, some of them may contain a flange or a resonator or a catalytic converter core that was sourced from another vendor, but the products themselves are USA-designed, USA-developed, USA-tested, and ultimately USA-built.

And I'll mention it one last time for good measure... we love having people visit the shop. So if anyone would like to set something up to come tour the facility, I will personally host you and show you around.

In the meantime, let's all stop the mud-slinging and name calling. We're all here for the same reason: we love cars (Ferraris in particular) and we like having a community where we can express ourselves and converse with like-minded enthusiasts. Let's keep that spirit alive.

 

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Yeah and the thread about my experience with you was moved to a subscribed forum where it could sink to the bottom to avoid being searchable. Way to influence. I wouldn't spend a dime with fabspeed. Ever.

 

Evan - if you guys really want to put this issue to bed and earn full credibility, you would answer the question being asked "which parts ARE made in China?"

Using the German example is very obviously self serving. And very obviously ignores the question.

Tell the people you are marketing to where each of your raw materials and component parts are sourced and why and how you have concluded they meet your quality requirements. That is all I would do...unless I thought the answers would not please my customers and prospects...

 

You moved it to silver. I haven't looked for it since. If people want to see it, now they can subscribe and go find it.

 

Here's some light reading for you:

http://www.business.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard.pdf

Unqualified "Made in USA" claims need to be held to fairly stringent tests, including the percentage of COGS of foreign content in the final product, as well as the significance of the the foreign content with respect to the function of the product.

Most OEMs who source significant materials outside of the USA will use the qualified claim of "Assembled in the USA" or "Made in the USA from imported parts". I know of several who would actually meet the "Made in USA" standard but choose to take the less controversial position of using the qualified labeling on their products just to avoid the cluster-**** evidenced in this thread.

 

oh I so so love this thread

 

This is the pointless thread that won't die. BSKiller has 1 post, clearly has an ax to grind, and you guys take it as indisputable fact.

Fabspeed does design, engineering, prototyping, and testing here. Let's assume that they then get the product made or partially made overseas. So what? Who here doesn't look for to lower their manufacturing costs while maintaining quality? Who here itemizes where they get every part and shares all of the trade secrets about how they make their product? How many of you go back and test your long shipping products again and again, and I don't mean QC I mean design verification?

Apple (and just about every other company) does the same thing but I don't see you ranting that iPhones aren't fully disclosed where every part comes from. As long as Fabspeed is making the standard for "Made in the USA" why is this a big deal?

As for the first set of questions, I know the answer: NONE of you do those things. Your design energies go into the new products and you look for lower cost manufacturing that still maintains quality. If you disagree feel free to post up all of the details for your products. Step right up.

EDIT: I don't have a horse in this race. I don't even own any of their products. But, I still think most of you are being ridiculous.

 

Are you referring to this thread?

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/silver-subscribed-private-forum/421005-my-horrible-experience-fabspeed.html

Discussion of why it was moved on page 18 (post #351 and on).

 

Apple products all say "Designed by Apple in California, Assembled in China".
Alan "

 

So. To my point:
As long as Fabspeed is making the standard for "Made in the USA" why is this a big deal?

 

Yes, thread titled "my horrible experience with fabspeed" where rob says he relocated the thread as a result of a negotiation with fabspeed in post 352 I believe. So folks, small price of admission. Over 400 posts on the subject. Silver really is the bomb anyway.

For the record and my 5 year subscription confirms, love fchat. Totally understand why what is done is done. It's all good.

 

Well Rob, I have been in email correspondence with Stef for a while now concerning his rear lights for the 360. When the issue of him posting under another username came up, I sent him an email and asked him to let me know that name as I liked to follow his very detailed and technically knowledgeable posts. I promised not to divulge that username to any other fChatter. He confirmed that he no longer posts on FChat under his original username and has not posted under any other username. In all my dealings with him he has been totally honest and up front so I have no reason to believe that he is not telling me the truth.
Alan

 

I have only positive reviews about all the fabspeed products I bought in the past. I don't see anything wrong with a company looking for profits or expanding margins without sacrificing quality.