Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I don't remember reading EVO's description of the P1 and thinking that they considered it to be unstable. I just think they found certain gaps in its overall delivery (throttle response, interior packaging, excitement, etc.) that made it feel like less of an achievement than the 918.

The P1 is probably the more challenging (and in some ways, involving) of the two at a track day, and I think that characteristic is the source for the line that EVO drew between the two cars. They could praise the P1 in a certain light while still declaring the 918 to be the overall winner.

Still, I'm glad that EVO came out with a balanced review of the P1. They seem to have risen above the last six months of ongoing British press nonsense that read like a poor attempt at automotive nationalism.

 

I can't wait to see what he comes up with



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I'm just so glad you're back.

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I think peloton will say " you win some , you lose some " and wait for the next magazines opinion that may well be different ?

 

UK mags so far preferring 918 over P1, I think there's not much of a chance it will score much points abroad, if any.

I also suspect Mclaren might stop giving P1s for direct comparisons.

 

Maybe.

But it wouldn't take away from all the unresolved hyperbole, bombast and promises, predictions we've received.

More importantly: If the 918 is/was faster on various tracks (including this the EVO and TOP Gear track by a decent to considerable margin), How/Where In The World McLaren faithful come up those secret-insider 'I know it beat the 918 I tell you' with 6:30-40-ish Ring Time numbers??

We already know the 918 accelerates and brakes better to boot. And it's a similar, if not better handler. So where are these -20 Ring claims coming from?

Not possible (as if we didn't already know that for practical, common sense, and other reasons). But certain people are still peddling this crap with fervor.

 

I think Peloton will say "But wait, there's more" has proven to be a very good strategy for Porsche. Good for them and good for those who had faith in their program.

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They got played by their Mclaren contacts, I suppose...

 

Hey, you're back! yes, the fun here never ends

 

I know what the P1 is capable of at the Ring without a doubt. We don't know what the 918 is capable of at the Ring now because the production cars are performing at a significantly higher level than when they delivered their 6:57 result.

And Ring times are still largely irrelevant btw.

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Huh. I bet.

That was obvious. And has been quite clear for the past year in a half, at least.

The problem is: Why go on and on about something (and risking whatever reputation one may hold on to), if the company you blindly support doesn't even have faith in their own numbers?

That should have told them something.

SMH

 

I won't even recognize/dignify such silliness with a proper response.

Maybe some one else will. I won't.

The Irony: Macca may have had their own Prep and Support Team present for this test, when Porsche did not.

But I Gotcha!

 

Yup, time for the braggarts at mc to eat some shepherd's pie, you should have a slice too P. Joking, joking, in all honesty it doesn't matter. All three amazing cars and there times on the track while fun to debate, really don't matter much. It's not like many will ever seriously track these cars.

Lesson learned, never underestimate Porsche.

 

And I'm the one with the supposed credibility issue?? Laughable really.

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At least this team published the time and a video...

 

Yes, I know - it has been discussed, at length.

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I was obviously speaking about the current EVO TEST. DUH

You remember that one (or did you forget already), where the Porsche outperformed the P1, but EVO won't publish the numbers as of yet?

Regarding your picture: At least Porsche had a Ring Test with numbers, measurable, a video and both official and unofficial witnesses to verify (since you went there). Where's Macca's on their alleged Ring Record???

Sorry, the credibility issues never diminished, and persist.

 

I haven't read the EVO test - sorry, didn't pick up on the fact you were changing the subject.

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Are you daft?

WE were talking bout the EVO test (you know what we've all be talking bout the past several pages, hours that you claimed to have not read), and the issue, not only did they lose, but McLaren were alleged to have an entire team there and it still didn't help their results, the cars driving dynamics or acceleration, track times vs the 918.

Regarding the Ring Record: Considering the 918 was still in the developmental stage (and needed witness and other personnel to begin with), I'm not exactly sure what is your point, especially when we were discussing the EVO test. But OK. SMH

Back to the original point: Based off the EVO, Top Gear, etc., numbers and H2H, there's no way in hell the P1 achieved a 6:30-40-ish time as you and others repeatedly claim from your clandestine sources.

It's just laughable and embarrassing to persist, twist, insinuate, attack others, or believe such. SMH like a wet dog.

Do you ever give up or see the duplicity??

 

My entire post you quoted with your response was about the Ring.

Instead of focusing on being antagonistic with your thinly veiled insults, maybe try to be more clear when you want to switch gears back to some other angle of the topic.

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I'm sorry if your rudimentary comprehension and avoidance skills continually belie your veiled intentions.

Bottom Line: The Almighty, Invincible P1, was shown it's ass in another H2H by the weak underpowered 918. That's the only take away.

The end.

 

My intentions have never been veiled, but we're getting off topic again.

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Do you always have to edit your posts 5 times after entering them? It was cuter when it was just another attack at me.

You forgot "overweight".

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P1 "Shown its ass" by the 918? Not really what I took from EVO's article. A preference for the 918 perhaps but not anything like one car dominating the other. I am interested to see if EVO publishes lap times from their time spent at Anglessey.

The debate on these three cars continues to produce a lot of heated debate. I'd be extremely happy with any one of them, well as long as someone else took care of the costs.

 

When Evo mentions One Car, sounds better, is more exciting, has a better build quality, is more precision engineered, has a better engine, is faster on the track, has more torque, accelerates faster--through out the range and on the track, handles better/as good, and is more practical to boot; what would you think? That's a slam dunk. There wasn't much they gave in favor of the P1 outright, if anything really.

One car can do everything well, and the other is lacking in certain areas it appears by their writing.

And remember, this is an English Car mag striving to save face for it's British Cohort (possibly the reason for your take away). You gotta read everything in it's context, and/or between the lines.

What's going to happen if they give an American rag the two cars for two days? I'm not sure Macca would do that anyway.