488 GTB (458 replacement)

I think today's F1 cars are a perfect example of how crappy the turbos sound. As far as sound Vs Performance..... I think the sound IS AS important. I love driving my 360 Tubi even at 30 MPH just to hear to hummmmmm. It's not always about shaving off another 1/10 of a second or breaking the 200mph barrier.

 

sound is important, why people still buy zonda if it's slower and more expensive than huayra?
latest creation Zonda LM: http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2014/05/pagani-zonda-lm-0.jpg

 

sound is EVERYTHING!!!

 

being my first sports car and only having it for a few months I assume i can drive my 458 to about 30% capacity. However, I can downshift and rev under an overpass and HEAR it at 100%.

I think sound is big. If not when why do kids (and me) get that huge grin when i drop it in neutral and rev it a few times.

Overcoming the turbo sound will be the key to Ferrari maintaining a young user base with many caring less about history and heritage and more about looks and sound. Lets face it I can park my 458 beside a Lambo and it will get more looks. But I know the feel and sound are superior for my wants. You reduce the sound to a whish and Im either going to keep my 458, trade it for a Speciale, or try and figure out how to get a build slot on a v12.

 

in the past, sound was thing which differed Ferrari from tuned Hondas owned by teens, now there will less differences

 

I heard something about the use of an Electric turbocharger to eleminate turbolag and not messing with exhaust sound

 

maybe supercharger?

 

Not efficient as a turbocharger, produces a constant whine.

 

And no offence to anybody but a little to American muscle

 

Maybe Ferrari could put a V10 in the 458 replacement and remain N/A..

 

It would still mess with the sound.

 

Ferrari can build crappy sounding 458 successor, no matter what they will sell 7k units per year without any problem

 

Ah the anticipation.. I have the feeling that the 458 group of cars will go down in history: the brand is now competing with itself as they have truly created an almost unbeatable model..

 

so now they will go down with exhaust sound and throttle response, it's not progress they do this only because stupid emission standards

 

Ferrari can make a turbo sound fine. Have you never heard an f40? Also, if you had a current f1 motor in a road car, it would sound wicked, it's just the comparison to the old 18k rpm v8's that it doesn't sound as good, but keep in mind that no road car ever even came close to that sound, either. V6 vs flat plane v8 also sound quite different, so the f1 comparison is completely moot for multiple reasons.

 

I would love if Ferrari build NA engine V6 with 10k rmp red line, but when you have turbine on the exhaust pipe it will sounds crappy no matter how many cylinders engine have (huayra)

 

That's it exactly. Ferrari is being forced to comply with emission and noise regulations.

 

Nitpicking a bit on the terminology, I know, but there are no such thing as an electric turbo charger, as there are no turbine involved. Turbocharger is just the common term used for a turbine driven compressor.

Anyway; no way that will happen. It will take a serious amount of power to spin an electronic supercharger. Something in the area of about 100-150 hp. Aside from the unpractical physics involved in generating the power, the electric motor and the alternator to provide the power would be heavy and massive in size. If they wanted to go SC, they would most likely just go with a normal crankshaft driven setup, as the extra step of making electric power to drive the compressor, will just decrease efficiency further.

 

Emission standards are stupid? In which world do you live?

Sound is everything for you? Do you have a 360 CS in your garage? Or maybe a Scuderia?
If sound is everything in the Ferrari-world, why have so many drivers anyway changed to the 458? Maybe because the 458 was simply "the new one"? Was more powerful? Faster? Equipped with more and newer comfort features?

Let us be honest, the 458 sounds definitely worse then a CS (or a Scud).

Also turbo engines can sound wonderful. Or did somebody complain when the F40 was released? What happened? New engines does not sound basically so intensive as legacy engines. Around the world there are also new noise regulations to respect. Also a new NA-engine would not sound as good as the actual 458 V8.

For Ferrari it's the right moment to switch to a turbo engine. And they will stay successful!

 

The do not sound wonderful to many people, f40 included and they certainly do not have the throttle response. I'll order the new car, but I'll, be keeping the speciale. I'm sure it will still be more fun than the Macca though...or at least maccas of today. If they stay profitable I'm sure Mclaren will get better add adding life to their cars. I have the faith.

 

Actually a few companies are working on an electrically assisted turbocharger, whereas an electric motor spins up the turbine at lower engine speeds in order to eliminate lag. At higher engine speeds the exhaust flow takes over. Audi presented a prototype diesel engine with an electric turbocharger and the journos who drove it where mightily impressed! I don't know if Ferrari will include this technology in the 458 successor, but I somehow doubt it.

 

Agree wholeheartedly. The F40 doesn't make an appealing sounds IMO. Loud yes (no catalytic converters) but not tuneful.

As far as the 458 is concerned, I reckon that it makes just as good a noise as the previous Ferrari V8s. In the Speciale though, Ferrari specifically muffled the exterior sound as noise regulations in many tracks around the world are increasingly becoming a pain in the butt.

 

you try to say that if there will be no emmsion standards Ferrari would still go from NA to turbo? really?

 

No, this is not what I'm saying. There are many reason to leave the F136 engine family. This engine has reached its limit with respect to different factors.

 

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