Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

With all due respect, I've been reading car magazines of all types for over 30 years. I have and have read every issue of EVO since the beginning so I think I understand where they're coming from. There have been many tests where one car was most definitely "shown its ass" by another. To me, this was most definitely NOT one of those results. Your results may differ.

 

If one car can do everything thing as well or better as another car does best, but can in turn do others thing better than the other car (or the other car just can't do outright), I'm not sure what more to say. This is essentially what they said through out the article. But I respect your opinion/take away.

Lest We Forget, what we were told and promised would happen to the 918--by some here and in the British Press-- when both cars were eventually on the same road and track together.

 

you seem genuinely hurt and bothered by the idea (your idea btw) that Porsche somehow delayed delivery to go 'find more performance' (as you put it). You're quite fixated on that.

 

It really is Game, Set and Match. All the details will come out in due time. EVO has done a very good job saving face, retaining pride on Mac's side. You got that feeling immediately. And it really is the case. Sutt's and Harris, for all their certainty of what was and what will be, all their enthusiasm, are near clown status. Harris, in his LaFerrari video review (filmed couple of months ago prob) again says it's really just down to 2 cars, P1 and Laf. Comical.

 

Doesn't upset me in the least, quite the contrary - in simple terms I said "Good for them and their customers." - but it seems there are definitely people who wish to ignore that turn of events in shaping certain arguments to suggest that all along the 918 has been the better performing car and anyone who suggested otherwise was lying or foolish. That simply isn't the case as evidenced by plenty of customers and journalists who drove pre-production versions of the 918 as well as the McLaren P1 and came away with decidedly differerent opinions.

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Here's the rub: what does it really have to do with right NOW. both cars are as current as can be, they are being delivered to customers as end all be all. No more pre-production vs pre-production (of which all the big time journo's were sooo sure would still be same status quo once cars were delivered) It really does seem that this backward reaching 'excuse' making is really a way to soften the blow. Matters not, the blows have landed, and they've landed hard. That EVO comparo is really one sided with some clever disguising, making it out to be a 'battle' (as EVO put it, battle of the decade, though no one's fault 3rd car ...the red one...didn't show because they can't be bothered), when in reality it really was a pasting. Comprehensive win by German car, on road and track, in the parking lot comparing "I can feel it, I can see it, I can hear it" quality. P1, insane, freakish, all of that, but more befitting a car priced about $600-700K.

 

This comparo was massaged quite a bit in wording and emphasis, to not come off as harsh. Tim, it really is a decided/ one sided win by 918, with some pain reducing ferry dust sprinkled on for Mac. 918 can do everything P1 can and either do it AS WELL or BETTER. It's much better built, using much higher quality materials/components, it's faster, it's just the better resolved product. We're not talking a couple of tenths here or there. The car with the better steering and more stable chassis, that one? That one crosses the line a whole lot sooner than the purple car.

 

This.

Yup.

 

Hmm. Funny--McLaren were the ones who started all that massaging.



Shame that they can't just deliver like Porsche.

 

This latest triumph by the 918 over the P1 makes Sutcliffe's shilling for the P1 even more cringeworthy.

 

All is well. The 918 is at the very least a very capable hypercar, at most a better pick than the P1, and still available to order for those who can afford it.

This whole thing also gives a new interesting perspective on the whole Nordschleife PR snaffu.

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Please don't forget or leave out that Dastardly Chris Harris as well. Lol

He's still trying to sing the same tune (as Sutcliffe) apparently.

SMH

 

Yes, this was something argued heavily here and else were, to the apparent astonishment to those arguing on the P1's behalf.

I'm glad EVO was one of the few English (the only people who ever seem to get to test the P1 for more than an hr) Rags that were honest enough to say what many of us already knew, noticed.

 

To be fair, CH would probably prefer the P1 over the 918 even if he were to test them head-to-head.

Yes, he did officially pronounce a very drastic, seat-of-the-pants judgment on the 918 while driving the P1, and that judgment now seems less than accurate; but given his history of reviews, his driving style, and his past choices for personal transportation (4.0 RS, among others), I'd say that he would probably still make a subjective choice for the P1 that could be understood in reverse manner of EVO's.

The 918 is "better," but he would prefer the P1 because of its weight, power delivery, and raciness.

 

Good answer, response. Thanks.

CH is entitled to his own opinions and conclusions. No problem with that.

However/as you know, he made some premature, hyperbolic, cringe worthy "seat of the pants" observations, which smacked off British Jingoism, or some type of disdain for the 'inferior (in his eyes)' 918.

His comments, didn't come off as a man that preferred one car over the other (albeit prematurely). Oh no. Like Sutcliffe, he just said some stuff that she shouldn't have, making one question his credibility and mindset. Remember, he kept mentioning (as Sutcliffe) how much faster the P1 was over the 918 with out context or measurements. His whole argument from day one was speed (not it's sensation), which he was woefully wrong on, but has yet to own up to.

But I hear ya.

 

Maybe even the most experienced journos can still be fooled by torque delivery, and the massive influence it can have on perceived acceleration.

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Of out all that, your take home was only that the 918 'was simply more usable, and a better sounding engine'??? Then EVO did a GREAT job. The whole article as about one car being better in just about every way, but was worded in such ways where you could easily miss the fact that P1 lost the H2H. The article also briefly touched on the quality of the 918, and doesn't beat things to death there, but quality wise there is evidently a massive gap between the two cars. Maybe a re-read for you is in order. Also, JB wrote the piece for the track portion. He may appear to have had more fun at Angle's but the result there was in no doubt. One car got pasted. They should've posted the lap times, but it would certainly have negated any fairy dust sprinkled on P1 to protect it.

 

One car "got pasted" by the other? "Massive difference"? Not the article I read.

I love the internet.

EDIT: we apparently have someone here who knows Chris Harris extremely well. Not sure how else they could say what he would think.

 

I love the internet too. However, things will make a lot more sense as details from the test emerge. Such as the lap time. For a 1.5mile track, the win margin was massive. Calling the effort by Mac "puny" in reference to quality, was being kind. Far preferable to 'cheap'. There's more to the article than the article we read, what they decided to print.

 

Details?

 

I will not divulge the lap time or the other things that were said behind the lens-past the print (as had been asked of me), but as of now 3 of my sources (100% reliable in the past regarding non-public info) have confirmed the same results and also sentiments of EVO during the test. Don't worry however, this is something that will be known in short time, particularly the lap times.

 

The EVO lap times are coming. Some Twitter remarks have made that fairly clear.

 

Mac P1 cultists looking for silver lining certainly won't find any. P1 couldn't live with 918 on the road, nor could it do so in the quality department--both physical quality and the quality of its performance. The only place where it would likely find solace would be a race track. It couldn't find it there either. Not even close.

Cue future argument: "wait until P1 gets Trofeo R's fitted" ... only to see "oh yeah? wait until 918 gets forthcoming 'Cups". And on and on...

 

If rumored 1.5 second gap is true, that's a big gap for such a short track and certainly a reversal of expectations for the track oriented P1.

Mac fans will argue along the lines of.....you have to learn the P1, downforce and all before you can extract the maximum....and they could be right.

918 appears a much more attractive proposition now especially for the long term, with build quality that's apparently much better than the costlier P1.