Bro, 458 sounds way way way better than Scud. 360 CS sounds louder than 458 and much much much louder than Scud, that's why it is one of the most wanted Ferrari out there. Even Scud performs much much much better than 360CS, nobody really cares about Scud. If you have a 360CS for sale with good condition, there will be multiple offer coming in. Like it or not, sound plays a big role in passion. If you think speed is everything, just look at how Ferrari is selling way way way more 458 than the Canon MP4-12C even the Canon runs faster. It's like 1 second faster in a race track, who cares.
If you want to talk about emission, then all SUV must be put to death. I find it being hypocrite to say that all performance cars must use turbo to reduce emission, but then keep producing high performance SUVs, a 2.5 tons that can run 0-100kmh in less than 5 seconds.
The idea of an electric turbocharger seems cool to me. However, I agree on your doubts, probably it's a bit too early. Audi - with much more funds - hasn't even released a production model containing it. However, we could be surprised...
those SUV's should be put to death. they pollute the streets - esthetically- just as trucks do. but the latter transport at least useful stuff and we cannot do away with them. big SUV's driven in urban environments are the manifestation of decadent nonsense. they should be taxed 10 times more than our beautiful ferraris::)) peter
I think you are going to need a new pet name for the 12C, given Ferrari has named the new 458 as: M458-T...Maybe the Minolta M458-T. Regarding exhaust, my best sounding Ferrari was my 360 with a Tubi, meanest sounding was my 550 with Tubi straight pipes, worst sounding my 456GT. My 12C has the sport exhaust, it's OK but not like the 360...I hope Ferrari can keep the trademark sound with the new M458-T All in good fun, MB https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2015-ferrari-458-getting-twin-turbo-treatment-name-183056327.html
I have faith. Since the California T is basically a fast cruiser and not a pure sports car, I'm confident Ferrari left a good amount of sound on the table when tuning the car. I have a feeling the M458-T will sound a lot better. That said, it's still a turbocharged engine and Ferrari can't perform miracles. Maybe they can reroute a tiny portion of the exhaust gas from between the cat and the turbo and gain some tone/sound.
if 458 replacement can sounds better then why they not make it with Cali T? You can't make a good sounding turbo, Audi and AMG couldn't do this and Ferrari will not do this but anyway so called 458T despite the crappy sound will best turbocharged sport car on the market
The most of all, they can't even make the F1 cars sound good. Look at the 2014's F1, even FXX club gathering or Pagani Zonda-s gathering (not Huayra though) sound better than the F1.
but many people at this board keep dreaming that Ferrari engines will make invention worth Nobel Prize and 485 replacement will be sound like F50, but that's not gonna happen
F40 was inefficient turbos and built for going fast with ZERO regards to emissions or fuel economy. Hell the early ones had no catalytic converters. Today it is a different story, turbos are there for fuel economy + low emissions and are highly efficient meaning the noise has to be engineered. Second off I agree the F1 comparisons are stupid. The "F1 inspired" marketting scheme is so tired out its annoying. Why would anyone want anything F1 on a road car to begin with? We don't drive on perfect empty tracks everyday.
A 360 CS will sound much better and louder than F40. Basically F40 is a straight pipe. It is loud, but no screaming sound.
F1 sound is depressing with the turbo... I have heard street turbo cars have great sound, lets hope Ferrari finds a way. That is assuming they realize this is very important to their consumers.
finds a way? they don't find solution for California T, they don't find solution for F1 car, so how they will do this with 458 replacement?
Well, Ferrari had no trouble selling all of the F40's they could build and they are commanding over a million dollars on the used market, so maybe the sound doesn't matter that much when the car goes like stink.
I don't think sales will suffer much... 911 Turbos sound like crap, still they're selling nicely. But would I rather have a nicely tuned NA engine, despite lower torque and power numbers - yes! I think manufacturers like Ferrari are going about this emissions thing wholly wrong - they should make lighter, smaller cars with NA engines.
I already said why, the California T is not a pure sports car. The car's target audience is more Mercedes SL than traditional Ferrari enthusiast. It's conceivable that Ferrari conservatively tuned the engine note. They may also be planning an optional sport exhaust or possibly saving a better note for the face lifted version, which keeps interest high. Manufacturers play these games all the time. A turbo engine can't sound as crisp as a NA engine, but Ferrari can still give the 458T smaller, retuned mufflers or even eliminate them entirely. They could also tune the intake system's harmonics for some additional sound, possibly higher pitched too. The intake contributes a lot to the engine's overall sound. I don't believe the 458T will sound as good as the 458, I'm sure no one does, but it will likely sound better than the California T. I have a hard time believing its sound is the best Ferrari can deliver. Of course, this is just a theory. We must wait and see.
I would prefer NA V6 + KERS over V8 turbo, because NA V6 sound better than V8 Turbo, Ferrari don't need to care much about sound because no matter what they will easily sale 7k units even with crappy sound
The sales of the turbocharged 458's successor will definitely be good. IMO, It's just the turbo won't last long until a new NA with hybrid comes out. Ferrari just won't be able to stand the joke people make about their car. Meanwhile they are selling the turbocharged, the previous NA models' price won't drop that much, and certain models with legendary sound like 360 CS or 599 GTO price will sky rocket. Same like they haven't won any F1 title for many years, but still people are still buying their car. It's not like they don't care, but they are working hard to win. Same later they will work hard to stop people from joking about Ferrari sounds like vacuum cleaner. For example now, 458 performs slower than Mclaren. But Ferrari owners are being proud about their car because it looks better AND SOUNDS BETTER than Mclaren. Speaking about performance, no matter how fast is your car, in just 6 months, others will add the boost and run faster than you. So imagine next Ferrari, doesn't perform better and doesn't sound better. Only look better (but every body has different taste about the look). Sounds less passionate, no?
I don't think Ferrari buyers will accept a V6, at least not now. If NA + KERS is a possibility, I think that combination must include a small displacement V8. A V6 just doesn't have the right sound or enough substance for a quarter million dollar sports car. Sure, there's V6 Ferrari history such as the 246 Dino, but that car was technically slotted below Ferraris of the day and it wasn't as expensive. Porsche gets away with a six cylinder, even in cars approaching a quarter million dollars, but the flat design lends a bit of exotic character that differentiates it from lesser, more mainstream V6's. It's also a big part of their history, which breeds acceptance. Ferrari's future designs will surely be interesting, of that I'm positive.
I'm afraid that we will need wait much longer for hybrid V8 or V6, turbo will stay for longer, only hope is NA V12, I think that in the future many customer will leave V8 and chose V12, because NA V12 will be considered as "real" Ferrari and V8 turbo will be just dirty compromise with government and ecologists
too beautiful to be real, that car would downgrade prestige of limited edition like Laferrari, you need to remember that ferrari don't want sell more than 7k units so they don't need to create another mid engine car
they can sell more cars but it would have bad impact on value depreciation and would hurt prestige of brand so what should be price for NA V12 unlimited mid engine car?
