Tony Stewart hits and kills fellow racer

You are correct on one point - there is no room for argument. However, you're 100% dead wrong on your contention about pedestrian right of way. Maybe for you good old boys in the USA that might be true (actually, it's not even true in the US), but it is absolutely NOT true by law in most of the rest of the world. Pedestrians specifically do NOT have right of way every where, every time. That is categorically, legally, definitively false. So, your entire premise is based on a falsehood.

And with that you go from being just a troll to a complete ass. There's no point even responding to an asinine statement like that, other than to just point out that it's so asinine that the person making the statement is either an idiot or a blatant, deliberate troll.

 

It is standard practice to remove the rear tires after the race. Because the RR is so large it is standard practice to put a LR in place of the RR to load the car in the trailer.

 

this post is not so far fetched. for those that think it is, you have no idea of what is potentially at stake here. there could be a massive ripple effect that would damage nascar if tony were found to be liable in any way. I hope you are wrong in the substance of your post but again, if you are right...this scares me a bit.

 

IF tony's cam was deleted - that would surely raise eyebrows with the investigation.

The driver of the #45 said he barely missed Ward.

A good reason for no comments from many other drivers, is it happened so fast they have no idea what happened. Ward was *running* on the track, The #45 knew he was coming down the track and the #45 knew his car nearly clipped Ward. Stewarts car was sliding, and ward continued to come down the track.

In regards to Cornerswell, I'm curious just how well a sprint car can turn at that suboptimal speed when its already on the bottom of the track and cornering. If you've ever seen a spring car try the bottom groove, they really really have to almost stop (seemingly) to do it. Shorter distance vs speed. A lot would get cleared up if we knew if Tony's car had enough traction to get even further to the left. He's near the apron already.

Ward would of not been hit I think, had he done this from the rear corner of his sprint car, instead of walking into the pack of cars.

 

Well, your commentary just got a lot more interesting...

 

I don't know if "standard operating procedure" would apply when you've just run someone over. Everyone knows there is going to be an investigation, so it seems like common sense would guide you to not touch anything.

 

That may be true, but I'd be surprised if anyone could touch a car before impound when such an event occurs.

CW

 

I think the tittle of this thread is very unfair "Tony Stewart hits and kills fellow racer ".

How can anyone says that when the victim was the main artisan of his demise.

Frankly, you just don't stand in the path of racing cars, whatever your anger or you state of mind after an incident.

 

The industry condones drama, and all that goes along, until that stops, there will be other events....

 

There was no chance, where are you getting that he had a chance to not hit him when he jumped in front of the car? Did you even watch the video?

 

I don't for one second think that ANY sanctioning body wants to see one driver run over another, ending in a death. That may be press/publicity, but I don't believe the old maxim that there's no such thing as bad publicity still remains the case today. Although, that belief is tested every day.

I agree that on-track feuds and off-track warring can make for more spectacular racing, draw more eyeballs and even sell more ads. But, it's certainly not a good thing when drivers are intentionally using their cars as weapons.

CW

 

Did you?

You're just going to have to accept, no matter how much you disagree, that assuming this goes to a civil trial, there is a likelihood that some blame will be apportioned to TS. It may be relatively lower than Ward's. It may not. That will likely hinge on whether the jury believes what TS tells them about what he saw/didn't see. They'll also have to consider whether TS might have sought to give Ward a bit of a brush-back based on Ward's charging at TS. It will be be considered in the context of any on-track incidents they've had in the past and the fact that this was under a caution. The jury will also have to weigh whatever other evidence will be presented by other witnesses who were present (drivers, officials, crew, fans, etc.) and experts. And, somehow, TS' own past on-track conduct will factor into this.

CW

 

please don't waste a bit more bandwidth on this guy...just wants to joust. your posts have been nothing but thoughtful. sorry you are being bothered.

 

... even the most obtuse of drivers have little choice but begrudgingly concede, Tony Stewart zeroed Kevin Ward, deliberately took him into the wall. Show of bravado, standing up for himself, a 20 year old with the audacity to stand up, and point the finger, at the great Tony Stewart?

On the caution lap, Stewart ran that boy down, like a dog... used him for traction.

Boiled down to its core elements, this Kevin Ward thing is a rape case (e.g., did she really have to be wearing a red dress? did she have to be out, that late at night? during the gang rape, did she orgasm?).

If the corporations and organized motor sport expect to get Tony Stewart off, scoff-free, then their PR guys have to find a way, to (1) make this Kevin Ward thing about Kevin Ward (e.g., black uniform at nighttime, walking around the race track), and (2) paint Tony Stewart the victim (e.g., frontal cranial lobes of male homo sapiens under age 26 insufficiently developed, ipso facto, Tony Stewart is a hapless victim of Kevin Ward's clinically proven whimsical, impulsive, foolhardy decision-making).

The corporations spend a lot of money on motorsport. It's up to the various sanctioning bodies, to ensure that gravy boat is always tipped, their direction. Rest assured, organized motorsport principals are closing ranks at this very moment, contingency planning, plan-A, plan-B, plan-C.

So much clout did Tony Stewart have in Sprint Car, only he was allowed to run the number 14 on his car. When Kevin Ward, a nobody, who palled in stature and significance to the Great Tony Stewart to such extent, it could be argued Kevin Ward's parents were grossly irresponsible, allowing their son resources sufficient to put him on the same track, with Tony Stewart.

Not a strong argument, by any means. But, enough of these flimsy arguments, strung together end-to-end, things are going to be looking good, for our boy Tony Stewart. I think he'll be back to his old self, laughing it up nerfing fellow drivers into the wall, in a few more days -- asj.

 

Oh, it's all good. If I were TS' insurance defense counsel, though, I'd REALLY want him empaneled!



CW

 

Far fetched or not, it reeks of conspiracy theory. It's noteworthy that asjoseph did not feel compelled to cite a source for this information. Deleting the contents of an SD card from Stewart's on-board camera would certainly be damning. But, for all we know, asj made this up out of whole cloth, wrote it himself and presented it with the appearance of a quote. Personally, at this point I'd say that's quite likely.

 

Got a source for these with some kind of integrity or prior reliability?

 

When you delete something - you delete the registry entry that links to the data so you can bring it up - not the actual data itself. The data itself stays there until the need for that space gets it over written.

Hitting a delete button would still allow for the data to be read later.

 

... authorities are in possession, of two videos. The 64 thousand dollar question: is the 2nd video Stewart's on-board? And, why have authorities suppressed it? -- asj.

 

How do you know the authorities are in possession of two videos and one of them is TS'? How do you know he attempted to tamper with evidence?

If any of this is true, it will certainly change the outcome.

CW

 

And computers the world over hit the ignore button.

 

Your trolling is far to obvious. Sometimes less is more.


The wreck that started this whole deal would be considered Wards fault in this type of racing. If a passing car is in front of you and sliding up, the other driver lifts and turns underneath to attempt to pass back. It's called a "slide job". It is an accepted way to pass.

 

Yes, I watched it. I don't see how you could watch it and make the argument that TS had plenty of (any) time to react. The driver directly in front of him said he almost hit Ward and TS had less visibility of it - because he was behind another car. Ward got killed because he ran into traffic and was not where he was supposed to be doing what he was supposed to be doing.

Do you think TS has culpability? Do you have any shred of evidence anywhere that TS could have avoided hitting him? We all have ample evidence that Ward could have avoided the incident by just not getting out of his car. Or, if had gotten out of his car, by not walking down the track. Or, if he had walked down the track, by not jumping in front of a car moving 40mph. On the other hand, I have seen zero evidence that shows TS had an opportunity to miss him, other than pure conjecture.

 

Oh, I dunno...

Maybe I've said I believe TS has some culpability a half a dozen times or more?

CW

 

Based on what evidence, not just conjecture? We have ample (more than ample) evidence that Ward has culpability, but what do you have other than pure conjecture that TS has any culpability?