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  1. GuyIncognito

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    wise decision :)
     
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  3. Heat Seeker WS6

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    That was just great seat of the pants racing at the end and a great interview by Ambrose afterwards!
     
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    Sounds to me with this statement - that teams are (rightfully) not happy with NASCAR exclusive title sponsors - that do not sponsor cars/teams.
     
  5. GuyIncognito

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    that has been one of the "unofficial" reasons for the RTA.

    and to be honest, they have a great point...between NASCAR and ISC, lots of competition for advertisement/sponsorship dollars between France family entities and their "independent contractors" ;)
     
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    I was surprised Ambrose came over to the camera in smiles. I guess he was just happy to finish the race unlike last year. I've been in that position - pissed to all get out at not winning, but thankful to finish.
     
  7. BartonWorkman

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    Harvick team manager fined $25K for having a beanbag in the car deemed as an "unapproved
    weight incident" and "action detrimental to stock car racing".

    I'm sorry but how is having accidental extra ballast in the car detrimental to stock car racing
    but the whole Watkins Glen debacle itself was not detrimental to stock car racing?

    NASCAR officialdom will do this, but after a major on-track incident, they'll allow torn up
    cars to go back out into a race dropping parts and pieces all over the place but somehow
    that is fine and dandy.

    NASCAR fines Harvick's crew chief over Watkins Glen infringement - NASCAR news - AUTOSPORT.com

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    The official who made this decision must have watched Holy Grail the night before?
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  9. BartonWorkman

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    Well, not sure about that but they sure do seem to enforce some arbitrary rules don't they?

    I mean, the bean bag actually ADDED ballast to the car and gave it no advantage. And, aside
    from sliding around in the footwell, it posed no real threat to safety.

    Unless this rule was written in the 1950s (where most of NASCAR's rules still seem stuck)
    when the perception was the heavier the car, the better.

    Meh...

    BHW
     
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  11. GuyIncognito

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    yes, he actually calls it the "boneyard". not sure how it started but he takes all the destroyed cars and scatters them around his property (he also has a couple of go kart tracks and a western-style town on the property).
     
  12. tervuren

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    Dale has some large acreage, and years ago started putting car's that were important to him out there. Montoya's car that hit the jet dryer is out there, for example. Some of his race winning cars, once they are no longer used, he'll have the re-useable parts removed, and set the shell out there.

    When the house building market went bust, Dale spent a ton hiring carpenters out of work to do all sorts of stuff out there. He built a small western town, etc.

    Hendrick doesn't want him racing in other series, a guy has to do something in his spare time. ^^
     
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    that's cool, I didn't realize that's when he built the western town. I wonder how many of those carpenters were kids from the neighborhood that he's grown up with.
     
  14. NürScud

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    Thank you both. This must be an interesting boneyard!
     
  15. BartonWorkman

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    Looks like about $42.50 worth of cars there at least!

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    #441 tervuren, Aug 15, 2014
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    Kinda silly - this is how it has been, hasn't it? NASCAR has handed out penalties for this on case by case basis based on danger. Str8, for some reason I thought the race I was thinking of was Texas, I couldn't seem to look it up even with those drivers names. Knowing it was those two, I kept digging and found it, Darlington, not Texas, and KB and KH were both penalized.

    Unless there are things NASCAR.com didn't post, there is no effective difference in procedure/rules from how it was, to how it is. Stewart - threw his helmet while standing around talking with the safety officials and ambulance workers gathered around his car.

    A directive to stay in your car until cleared - or fire, has no effect on any incident in NASCAR that went without penalty that comes to mind - because NASCAR already has this directive. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, but hey, it looks good in the press.

    Granted, nascar.com is horrible at representing anything that goes on in NASCAR, so maybe there is more to it.
     
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    I really hope that teams don't play with fire, erh tire pressures today. With the removal of the ride height rules the cornering speeds today are going to be horrendus should you crash.
     
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    I wonder if Carl Edwards is thinking of moving to Charlotte along with his move to another race team.
     
  19. BartonWorkman

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    The fans want more passing. The fans want more side-by-side racing. The fans want more
    passing for the lead. Blah-blah-blah.

    So, naturally, NASCAR responds, because nothing is quite so embarrassing as empty
    seats in the stands, by making the cars slower and more unstable. NASCAR interprets this as
    meaning the fans want to see less speed and more incidents as if the current parade of
    extended yellow (and red) periods isn't enough.

    How about putting cars on the track that are relevant to their road-going counter parts instead
    of 50's technology?

    NASCAR evaluates 2015 rule changes during Michigan Speedway test - NASCAR news - AUTOSPORT.com

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  20. tervuren

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    I am fine with twitchy race cars, just like I prefer old pavement with some "character".

    The ride height rules gave the car's themselves a chance to have some visual character, as the suspension movement let them hunker down in a corner.

    I really liked the way the last gen car raced a lot. The problem fans had with it - was the bump drafting at the plate tracks. They wanted packs. This gen's car is designed around making it aerodynamically difficult in close quarters, which although it gives the outspoken set of fans the Dega and Daytona they want, it kind hurts the racing at all the other high banked tracks where down force becomes significant.

    Driver's have to be pretty guarded about what they say after a race, this is the real tragedy here.
     
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    And Roush announcing Carl isn't with them - finally set things where Edward's new ride can be announced. Roush has it in contract you can't announce who you're going to until a season is over. Since Roush made a pretty obvious statement themselves, I guess the contract junkies worked it out where Carl can make his.

    Its honestly kinda silly to try to hold info like that back - the amount of people it takes to make a new team is pretty huge, and naturally those guys are going to make the discussion with their spouses, and well...it might not be such a secret after that.

    Now all JGR needs to do is drop Denny or Kyle for Biffle. :p
     
  22. GuyIncognito

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    really? COT was a disaster. it got slightly better after they went back to the old school blade spoiler instead of that ridiculous wing, but I never enjoyed watching those cars. Gen 6 seems to be much better in that regard, particularly at 1.5 mile tracks (where the mechanical vs aero grip tradeoff is biggest)
     
  23. tervuren

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    The COT is UGLY UGLY UGLY, so in a sense, it doesn't look good going around a track - but it raced well. I love the new style of this gen 6 car a lot, letting the window/body be a template of the road car was a great idea as well. Its just the grip dissapears so fast in this gen 6 car when you get close. You have to either parade - or burn your tires for a quick sprint. If you watched the 'glen, the #47 car early in the race tried to ride up and pass to get to the front, and it cooked the tires so bad he fell to over half a second off pace, had to pit early for tires. Fortunately, he got clean air when he came out, but he'd of been fouled if a caution had of put him back in wake again.
     
  24. GuyIncognito

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    losing aero grip in traffic has been an issue for ages, I don't think there is an answer to that other than don't put any downforce in the car to start with.

    COT was ugly but I don't think it raced particularly well either. that was a time period when I was watching the Truck series the most :eek:
     
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