488 GTB (458 replacement)

Eh, if sound was this important everyone would have 360CS and 430S instead of Speciale because those sound way better. As most have said, even Ferrari exhaust is getting "worse" with each iteration.

When it comes to the modern, non-collectable car, the most important things are the looks and that it's the newest/freshest. 458s will be dumped en mass when the replacement comes out. That's just how it works.

458T or whatever it's called will be loved on here, I guarantee it.

 

360 CS is one of the most wanted Ferrari. If you have one for sale in good cond, there will be multiple offer coming in. And normal 458 sounds better than 430Scud, let alone the Speciale. The most important stuff for expensive cars are the look and the sound, then the brand and rarity, then the performance.

 

If I follow your logic the whole performance increasing from generation to generation is completely unnecessary? A little bit sound development is more than enough to sell new cars? 220 hp from a Ferrari 308 in a 458, in a Speciale? What a nonsense!

And if I continue to follow your logic do you really mean your 458 will be more valuable than a crappy turbo F40 in the next years? Keep on dreaming!

 

The Europeans are so committed to the religion (yes "religion of man caused global warming") of the environment they can't see the forest through the trees. Right now we are 5 years away from totally breaking all 77 of their computer models predicting man caused global warming.

Unfortunately the weather hasn't cooperated with their "religion" over the last 25 years. There are already good scientists jumping ship. Sure it will take a generation or so for the pendulum to swing the other way but one thing for sure is turbines in cars won't last that long. There may be other technologies that take their place but it won't be driven by the religion of "man caused global warming". Eventually Big Government and the Central Planners that always accompany crazy mandates will be conquered by their own stupidity.

 

Don't get me wrong, performance is also important (but not the most, though). Look at how 458 kills the 430, but with HIGHER REVS, not higher boost. Or at least, bigger engine. not bigger intercooler. Every new NA Ferrari had better performance than the previous, but also produced better or equal sound, now imagine if after 458, something performs faster but sounds like........a loud 911 turbo. It's not like nobody is going to buy, but Ferrari has lost some of it's value, it's trademark, tradizione.
If I follow your logic, as long as the car runs very fast, than that's good. If that's the case, Canon MP4-12C won't find it very difficult to sell because it runs faster than 458. Performance in Canon is simply beaten by the passion of 458, and one of the passion is DE SOUND. And btw, F40 is not in the same league with 458.

 

Time to move on, Turbo is the future of the makers. Revolvers are great, automatics were shunned at first, now ? I love the tradizione of Ferrari, I am not the guy to buy a bentley, so turbo here i come. If i just wanted the sound, i would Keep my Maserati GT Sport which sounds better than any of them. IMHO

 

I will keep my Spider, or get a used F12, or go Lambo. I suspect I am not the only one considering these 3 choices.

 

Count me in. My next F is V12, or I better go for previous models rather than getting a Ferrari that sounds like 911 turbo. Because I don't care if a car can track 1 or 2 second faster.

 

Speciale

 

Is this possible that low sales of Cali T could force Ferrari to make some change in future?

 

I think they would give the Turbo a chance as i am sure they have mucho money on this. But rest assured that Ferrari will monitor the feedback.

 

what dealers say about Cali T sales? old model was bestseller

 

If rumors are true, it's too late in the process ... The 458 replacement has been in development for YEARS. Sales of California will a) have zero bearing on direction of 458 and b) they will sell as many California's as they want to, turbo notwithstanding. Honestly, the next step is electric complementing a naturally aspirated sub 4.0 liter gas engine. It's coming, the turbo is temporary.


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Sound isn't as big of deal as you think. You can make any Ferrari sound amazing with a moderately priced aftermarket system, yet no one is rushing out to buy a 360 or 430, or any older, regular models. Why? Because they are old. Pretty much end of story.

The vast majority of people only care about the car being the latest and greatest. No car is the best looking, performing, sounding, and driving. Every car is bested by something in some respect. As long as the 458Twhatever looks good, it will sell very well and be loved until it gets replaced.

 

I had a 360 Spider and passed on the F430 cuz of the looks.

458 Spider is perfect for me. Fast enough. Looks fantastic. will take a miracle to get me to buy the 458M Spider...but not impossible.

Ciao

 

My DD is a 1995 e36 M3 coupe: would not trade it in for a free 2015 M3

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGn_44zCNQk

 

not fond of post e39 M3 gens but this one ain't bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c319hg9M9h4

 

here's mine (filmed from the Italia ) almost gets more attention than the 458
ok enough digression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgIuTeSt4xw
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wow , you have good taste

 

Thanks!
she's a real head turner

 

I don't know what is worst, BMW M cars going Turbo or Ferrari

 

I love Ferrari because they are able to offer different car concepts with total different characteristics and attributes, each of them on highest level, each of them represents benchmark for the market. The more these products differ the stronger is their uniqueness. And this is perfect like this!

As written before from the mid engine product line I expect highest performance capabilities. Of course, sound is always an important factor in a sports car, but the sound was always more then acceptable in a Ferrari, no matter in which model. At the very end in the mid engine class the performance figures and the corresponding driving experience and behavior build the key selling point. And if I read now that the 458 successor will deliver more then 670 hp (100 hp more then the Italia!!) with an additional huge amount of torque, all that combined with a high rev layout with a torque characteristic like the NA engine is delivering - I'm excited! But from your side no word about that, just a remark like "unimportant". This surprised me for a 458 driver.

Sound? I see this point quite at ease. Ferrari never disappointed me. Otherwise there is still Capristo, Novitec, Tubi...

A mid engine Ferrari shouldn't be in the holistic expression like a front/mid engine V12 Ferrari. If you prefer more the design and the sound, I don't understand why you do not purchase directly the F12. Only my 2 cts.

 

I will appreciate more if Ferrari has the 458's successor with 100kg lighter instead of 100hp extra. This way makes more sense than taking away the passion (sound).
And currently my garage is only good for 2 cars, so I can only get 1 extra car, so I think 458 spider is the most reasonable because it is using hardtop, so I can have 2 worlds in 1 car. I'll build my house soon, and I will use the whole basement as garage. Then I'll get some more Ferrari, and my next target are 360CS and 599 GTO. Love Enzo so much, but it will tear my pocket.

 

Let me ask u once again: its gonna be a facelifted 458 or a brand new model?
Thanks in advance.