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360 or 430 Challenge car running costs

Discussion in 'Challenge/GT Cars/Track' started by ace355, Aug 18, 2014.

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  1. ace355

    ace355 Formula Junior

    May 23, 2008
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    Chris
    Looking to join the racing fraternity. I own several Ferrari road cars and am well aware of their service costs and what goes wrong. I don't pretend that a Challenge car would be anything similar to a road car however, and ask for your help to educate me. I would be looking to do maybe 1 track day a month to get my skills up. What sort of budget (assuming I don't put the car into the wall) do I need to set aside? How often are the service intervals for these cars? How robust are they? Do I need to tear down the motor every 10-12k miles? How reliable are the F1 pumps under this sort of use as I just saw a huge bill from a car Hawkeye just posted. I would assume reading other posts, that these cars require track support/SD3...what is the arrangement there with a race team? I think I would prefer a 430 as I own a Stradale and would like something different, but happy to hear if you advise a 360 is a better starting point.

    Many thanks for your help!

    Chris
     
  2. gatorgreg

    gatorgreg Formula 3
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    Chris,
    I think a good start for you would be to find a shop that is supporting Ferrari Challenge cars.
    Tracking a Ferrari race car is a different world from street. It is a expensive habit but a lot of fun.
     
  3. rmarchjr

    rmarchjr Formula Junior

    May 21, 2012
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    Hello Chris,

    ---Please understand all this is IMHO, and I'm a track junkie/Ferrari nut---

    I recently purchased a 360 Challenge car and have done 20 track days since April. It is without a doubt the most fun car I have ever owned. IF you find a good car that has been well cared for and used regularly but with care, you should expect to spend less then $10.00 per mile on maintenance + the cost of tires and fuel. $2100 -2200 per set of P DH slicks, and $9-$12 per gallon of 100 octane unleaded. I tried using 93 and the car ran fine but did not have same "smoothness" from the engine so it 100 for me. The slicks which this car was "born on" are competitive up to 12 heat cycles and ok to run up to 25 in a DE event, checking them for wear and keeping them at 29-30 PSI hot.

    After every event:
    oil is changed - only to make sure all is well, (no metal)
    Brakes are bleed, pads & rotors if needed
    fasteners tightened
    Slicks looked over

    My car (knock on wood) has not had any major issues, the F1 has been good, as well as other components - changed 2 ball joints - previous owner had changed all wheel bearings before I got her. Check that the fuel cells have been replaced - $12,000 - rarely last more then 10 years.

    I do not have track support at most of the events, nor do I need it - I'm an OK mechanic(not professional) - but can diagnose easy stuff, operate an ODB reader, change my own tires, adjust air pressures and dampener settings, and torque my wheels. ****IF YOUR CAR DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUES THAT'S ALL YOU NEED**** But keep in mind they are complex and getting old (13years) in my case, when stuff goes wrong its not always easy to find or fix - electrical issues - computer error codes - can take time to sort out and can be more then annoying when your at the track.

    This is not my first or only Ferrari and I spent 4 years running a 996 GT3 in DE before I felt that I was ready for a Challenge car. The GT3 was far less costly, and less fun(for any Ferrari nut). It is both a pleasure and and an honor to drive a Ferrari Challenge car and as I round a track or move to pass I do keep in mind that I am driving my prize, and adjust my driving accordingly. In most situations I shift at 7500 instead of red line as I'm not competing w this car. I will likely start racing with a corvette or porsche next year and keep using the Challenge for my enjoyment.

    If you can find a nice one I do not think you would ever say to yourself - "I wish I had not purchased that car".

    -see you on track!

    Rob
     
  4. ace355

    ace355 Formula Junior

    May 23, 2008
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    Thanks Rob, great insight. I know every driver is going to push any car to a different level, so I would welcome other opinions/experience.

    You touch on buying the car as well. I had not thought about the fuel cells, but I know about them on F40s, so makes sense. In addition to looking at a SD2/SD3 wear printout, are there any other items you would recommend keeping an eye on? Of course, I would have someone who knows what to look for inspect the car, I'm just trying to get my knowledge up.
     
  5. MARMIST

    MARMIST Formula 3

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    2k miles = 20k euros ? rotfl
     
  6. ace355

    ace355 Formula Junior

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    What are the recommended tires to use at the track, and are they available from Tirerack, or do you have to go to a more specialized tire supplier?
     
  7. alex550575430

    alex550575430 Formula Junior

    Jun 21, 2009
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    Nicely said. Thanks Rob for sharing your experience... I just have one quick question here to ask... How do you use between the three modes `WARM UP` `PRACTICE` `RACE`?

    Thanks

    Alex
     
  8. NbyNW

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