Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That P1 isn't in race mode and is not being driven close to its full potential. The BAC Mono on the other hand is being peddled hard… I have no doubt that a P1 at full strength would be able to handle the Mono in the turns.

 

Top Gear lap times:
01:13.8 - Pagani Huayra
01:14.3 - BAC Mono

 

Both times are impressive.

Are there P1/La Ferrari/ 918 TG lap times?

 

So sad most hypercars end up in the wrong hands like those 2 ladies.

 

In the comments section of the video it says the P1 is being driven by a British GT racing driver Paul Bailey. From reading the McLaren fanboy posts you would think that it was driven by Paul Reubens.

 

Mono is running flat out. Kudos to the driver sliding at one point and recovering ably. Gives me even more respect for the Mono. P1 driver was not fully engaged or had something else in mind...

SV

 

On another website the P1s passenger stated the car was on the last miles of its rear tires and not in Race Mode (clearly).

Regardless of any of those circumstances it is clear to anyone watching the driver either didn't know the lines of the track or didn't care to follow try and follow them. It was a pretty poor display, but this was the same guy who showed up at the top speed event and ran in Race Mode which increases drag and electronically limits top speed to 205 MPH. As long as he is having fun I guess...

And just because someone has a racing license doesn't guarantee they actually know what they are doing or are any good at it.

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>8^)
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Yeah, problems of the 1 percent

 

It's clear to me the P1 not been driven hard at all just pulls on the strights and then goes easy n the turns.

Mbn

 

It's obvious the Mono isn't being driven hard at all it just pulls in the turns and then goes easy on the straights. Driver must have been an amateur.

 

I think there's a P1 and 918 time, which they will probably release later once LAF has been tested.

They have already had the P1 and the 918 on the show...

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Are there ANY reported times of any of these three anywhere besides the 918's Ring time?

 

Yes, the 918 did a 1:23.54 at willow springs.

 

Laf did a 1:38 at the redbull ring

 

EVO ran them at Anglesey...a beautiful track btw...918 handily beat P1 (times will be released soon, along with certain print is what I heard). P1 couldn't live with 918 in mechanical grip department, and 918 equaled it in 'downforce' areas too (surprise surprise). That means 918 walked it. IIRC current benchmark there is 1:14.5 by 458 Speciale. And of course, 918 won the entire h2h rather easily. Top Gear is waiting to capitalize on timing.

 

we can go on and on...

 

Right.
Also we have to expect another h2h test to appear next week.
TG also will release their results very soon...

 

If the 918 is the equal (or better) than the P1 in aero grip, high speed corners, why did it pull 0.3G less than the P1 on the same track, on the same day, in the same bend as the P1 when it was tested by Top Gear (same difference as 918 v 911)? Anyone with track experience care to give a ball park figure for the corner speed difference to give a 0.3G difference?

The article also says that the track part was done first and they say that the P1 is "seemingly invincible on track" which doesn't really fit the claims that the 918 was faster on track.

The comments abut the speed of the cars are rather woolly - "it's feels half as exciting again", "it seems a match for the P1" and "it feels (so so fast) - faster than the P1 more of the time" (this also implies it is slower than the P1 some of the time). But given that they v-boxes and whatever else it just seems a cop out.

For people claiming that Evo are being kind to McLaren they are obviously unaware of the magazine history. They have had no issues criticizing McL in the past and I don't think a McL has ever won a head to head in the magazine. Where as Porsche are in pretty much every issue of the magazine, almost always win the group tests and Evo Car of the year has 9 winners in 16 years (with 8 other top 5 results, 2 cars in the top 5 in 2010/11/12). If there is a relationship (or bias) there is not in the way of McL.

Overall it was a pretty poor effort, had they concluded the data they obviously have then it would have been far better and far less ambiguous.

 

What these people with track experience think of the fact, that 918 outperforms P1 in:
- 0-60 mph;
- 0-100-0 mph;
- 60-0 mph;
- 100-0;
- 30-70 mph;
- peak speed;
- 160-0 mph stops 5 (FIVE) meters earlier...

 

There's nothing to question there, the 918 has posted better 0 - 60/100 etc.. times than the P1.

However, the only on track metric we have (for both car from the same track/day etc..) is the peak G from the Top Gear test that was performed. In this the 918 was outperformed by the P1. Thus indicating that P1 carries more speed through some corners than the 918. As there are more corners than 0 - X sections on a track it is possible that the P1 will be faster.

It's also worth considering that if the Top Gear P1, in the test, had the new tyres available then corner speeds/g would be higher. On this I should state I have no idea what tyres the 918 was running on for the test.

 

It's not faster, sorry... The results will be out VERY soon.

 

Interesting. The latest key is aerodynamic efficiency. Downforce/Drag. This is why LMP's are designed to move air around not over the car to the rear wing. Mechanical grip is also very important.

Do you know downforce numbers and mechanical grip any of these three are really making?

 

How soon?

 

In my opinion your making two potential errors here:

1) You're looking at one of the few statistics where the P1 apparently excelled, and are trying to use it to support your entire track argument. What about all the other areas the 918 was better as a bench mark? Why not use those as examples, or questions in their preponderance?

Who knows, maybe there was a wet part of the track, a great head, tail wind, etc., in that corner (when the 918 and P1 did their run)? But it's not something that we have to sweat over, or use as the lone hold out when the P1 was apparently bested in most/so many other areas with them. Correct?

2) You're conflating two articles together as well.

Nonetheless, when Evo said "half as exciting", they were saying the 918 was 50% more exciting than the P1. That's what they meant, were saying. And I'm too lazy to pull the quotes from the Evo article (but there here, earlier in the thread). But there was nothing in that article that states the P1 is faster on a track than the 918. Nothing!!

Pull me the quote if you can (and I will pull one, or two or three that refutes it).

Now this is not to start a new F. Chat internet argument/war, or unnecessary bickering. Not all. I just find many P1 stalwarts an odd bunch, who seemingly find it hard to believe their favorite car was bested, even when the numbers and literature (from English publications, trying desperately hard to save face) are clear as day.

 

Not sure how much I trust Top Gear.

You know they may do something silly, and not even post the numbers. Lol

All the insiders who allegedly know, would have no effect on the numerous mindless people who watch that show, so they could get away with it. Lol

And the people here (and elsewhere), who would complain, would have no effect on "The Average Joe" that watches the show. They wouldn't even know what we're/they're talking about. Lol