Still gonna sound like a vacuum cleaner
If you don't like the sound, you can always move to an F12. The V12s will stay NA. And the 12s sound is glorious.
Another option is to hold on to 458 or Speciale for a while. I have a feeling that this turbo party won't last long until a battery version comes out.
Your right it sounds and goes great. No denying that. But it does feel a very big and in a way 'normal' car compared to an Italia. Speciale will be the best of many years to come, I would be surprised if I'm wrong.
I don't think you will see that anytime soon. This will be first gen Turbo I'm pretty sure they will upgrade the engine size and turbo tech a few times before they have to resort to a costly add of a battery - IMO
Incorrect. The V8s were the 2006-2013 engines. Since 2009 they were regulated to rev up to 18,000 (19,000 before that) and they easily reached that limit. The engines made about 750 HP, plus another 80 from the KERS for a duration of 6.6s per lap. The Ferrari 056 was rumoured to be the most powerful at 760 HP. This year's 2014 V6 engines have a regulated limited of 15,000 RPM BUT they don't even come close to it. The maximum they actually reach is 12k. These engines make 600 HP with an additional 160 from the ERS for 33s per lap. Thus, they are actually less powerful than last year's engines. The 2014 cars are faster in a straight line but slower around the track due to their reduced downforce and thus drag. Estimates put their downforce at 30% less than last year. Finally, the tyres have gone one step softer.
I meant to say last year's V8 aka 2013 in case you didn't realize after reading the rest of my response, sorry. really? Mercs have been running closer and closer to the 15,000 limit w each race. Can't find a more recent video but here's one of Hamilton and Rosberg onboard at Monaco...regularly breaking 12k and it's not even a high speed circuit, probably why they're beating the snot out of everyone. The regulations stipulate 15k and the engines are definitely capable of it, but no team has found a way to effectively apply all that onto the track and also still somehow maintain engine longevity since they are only allowed 5 engines this year. Btw softer tires typically = faster lap times, they just don't last and this year's Pirelli's are more durable than last year's. Yes they reduced front wing downforce by narrowing it and banned the exhaust blown diffuser but as many of the aerodynamicists have already said, at this point of the season they've already developed the aero in other ways to recoupe the loss, still not as much as the blown diffuser but no way as much has 30% as you claim. And fyi the rear wing flap change actually should help lap times, the drs can now be opened much wider, I believe up to 65mm Here's a throttle vid, already breaking 12k at Monaco: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPHj4hnp70c]F1 2014 Monaco GP - Hamilton vs Rosberg Onboard - YouTube[/ame]
That picture is from 2009. It was the spy picture for the 458. It is not a mule of the M458T. Gr. Xander
I find it difficult to get my head around the 679hp quoted for the 458T That is going to make 650s virtually unsellable as well hitting their own F12 pretty hard I realize comparing the 458T and F12 is apples and oranges But the front engined 12's alway take a hit when the performance gap with the V8 is equalized. Any thoughts out there ?
I think the older model at Ferrari always takes a hit when the newer model comes out. I know of 599 drivers changing to 458's and 458 drivers changing to f12's. I don't think performance has anything to do with it, more the wanting of the next shinny new donkey. I don't see this as being any different. As it's a turbo, with all the turbo characteristics Ferrari will have to compensate noise and feel for outright pace and make that the new headline. Without the massive performance hike it would just be a saggy new Ferrari I'd fear.
I'm with you on your thought of massive performance hike in order to get the attention of the market But not so much about the Shinny new donkey theory and performance having nothing to do with it - just IMO
5 things I prefer the new car to be : - 100kg lighter rather than 100hp more. - 20% louder rather than 20% stiffer. - More carbon fiber rather than more music player. - 100-0 less time rather than 0-100 less time. - Revs rather than boost.
I love turbo cars. Give me pwr and sound with turbos. I love my 458, but to keep pace with other cars like my MP4 Ferrari needs turbos. I do love the scream of my 458 and the throttle response if N/A engine. But, times change. I am sure Ferrari will build a new car that we will all love.
To keep pace with the MP4? I thought Ferrari is selling way way way more 458 than the MP4. Actually MP4 is a not-so-great model, so they are trying to fix things with the 650S. Ferrari should learn from 458-MP4 that speed is not everything. Passion is more important than speed. Another thing to learn from, is Porsche 911 GT3 VS 911 Turbo. For many generation, the 911 turbo always run faster, but the GT3 is more wanted. Because nobody wants to pay expensive for vacuum cleaner and kitchen exhaust. Unless you love the sound from 2014's F1...
And...? The cars STILL SOUND LIKE A FRICKIN' LAWN MOWER. If the sound goes away from the new 458 (which I highly doubt) and sound like this mess called F1 they (Ferrari) will get murdered in sales no matter how the car performs.
Just spent the day driving my 458, as I have said before my 12C feels quicker, but the throttle response and sound are SECOND TO NONE on the Ferrari. Could not care less if it is a few tenths slower.
Hey Tony you still have you Porsche 991S ? I sold mine a while back Now thinking of getting a 991GT3 or a 991GTS what do you think would make a better DD ? I'd appreciate your thoughts
Exactly. 911 GT3 has more demand... among people who actually want a GT3, which is tiny compared to a Turbo.
You are correct. My 12C pulls well in the mid range, but feels like it drops off in the upper end. It needs slightly larger turbos or bigger exhaust wheels and a pinch more boost. I can tell you that my TT Lambo pulls all the way to the rev limit. You have to really watch your shifts because it comes on so hard. Turbo size/ boost levels have to be matched well per application. Bigger is not always better. For a track car I do prefer N/A motors. I did have a turbo Miata that was perfectly set up for short tracks, just the correct amount of power all through the power band.
Correct. There is no reason to rev higher without injecting more fuel. That said, these engines were tested at 13k max.
Honda is a master of fuel economy my guess is they will accomplish slightly higher rev rate while maintaining fuel flow limits
