Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

What's strange is that you don't know what a pyjama is.

Since you know more about the cars I drive than I do you must be a very good magazine racer. They should have a championship for guys like you

Mclaren continually upgrades and updates customers cars (12c had a free power boost + aero and handling upgrades).

And why are you comparing the p1 gtr here? I was talking about the normal p1.

Thank you, all of these machines are incredible indeed. The fact that the p1 puts a bigger smile on my face compared to the 918 seems to bother some people.

 

Can you post a picture of your P1, drift?

 

May I suggest that you read through the nigh 600 pages on this thread before posting any comment as much of what you have cited has already been discussed ad nauseam many pages back (I know this may take a while...;-)).

Just as an example, the Goodwood FoS times you have cited are easily explained, the 918's time was set in e-mode only (had you listened to the commentators on the Youtube clip, this should have been obvious), the P1's time was not. When this was attempted in the P1, it did not quite work out as the internal combustion engine kicked in, the time posted in that semi-e-mode was 65 seconds by the P1, not all that surprising given the e-motor size on the 918 vs the P1. Some background here:

LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918. Or not... - Opinion - Motor Sport Magazine

It may also be of interest to yourself to understand that times at the Goodwood FoS are usually not set in fierce competition as the fastest time was set on that weekend by a Nissan GTR with 49.27...

I hope this helps.

 

A Nismo Gtr, which is a very very fast car.

 

No doubt, but not almost 4 seconds faster than a P1. My point being, that none of the 'hyper-cars' were driven near the limit at the Goodwood FoS.

 

Ditto (on everything, including, especially your intro).

 

no, i didn't read all of the 580 pages! but i think i saw enough
in this case your'e right (my mistake), but what about another 7 reaosons? can u deny all of them??
so, did u see all of the videos that i share for u?!

-i dont wanna "make" P1 faster, i just wanna "know" which one is faster and those numbers just saying one thing..

 

Strange? No. I know what PAJAMA'S are, not 'pyjama'. I'm poking fun at the differences from country to country.

It's not about knowing more about your car than you do...it's about some fundamental things that you don't seem to be aware of. A little odd that you've spent over 2mil bucks on 2 amazing cars and you're coming from the blunt end. And for you to quickly establish yourself in the "I'm an owner, my words carry greater weight" corner, for you to assume that others on this forum simply acquire knowledge from magazines, quite pompous of you.

The P1 GTR was brought up because it is exactly in line with your belief: "turbo's/aero of P1 = easy to get even more".

The fact that the P1 puts a bigger smile on your face doesn't bother people. It's your insistence that "918 can't keep up...P1 is faster, deal with it", that is the grenade. All the facts, truth regarding these 2 cars, puts you on the not-so-sharp end of the discussion.

 

yet once again you are far from correct. Phanny is pretty far off as well.

 

If you had in fact seen 'enough', then you would've easily, adequately addressed every single one of the points that you brought up. But of course, 600 pages of silliness buries everything useful All the mumbo jumbo foolishness from Harris, SS, have been dissected. An easy one for example, 918 does 0-300kmh in 20.9sec, P1 in 16.5sec? Publications test results trend is consistent, that 918 easily gets there in under 18sec (about 17.5sec, or even less). Autocar got over 18sec for P1 (where they also matched the factory claim for 0-60mph of 2.8sec). For 918, I guess you know that C&D recorded 0-60 in 2.2sec, 0-100 in 4.9sec, 1/4mile in 9.8? The breakdown of that test is fascinating (the data behind the data). The 0-60 time is just staggering when you consider how large the 'gains' are when times shrink (as numbers get lower the % gains get much larger), and considering how difficult it is to get a road car (on road tires) to accelerate to 60mph at more than 1.2g.

 

Enjoy the legislation in Colorado up the mountains, inhale, chill.

P1 is faster. Most people who have driven both agree. Deal with it

The way I see it phanny shoved it in your face pretty nicely, well done phanny

 

"918 not as enjoyable as the McLaren.....


650S (!!)..."

Uh, Wow: We Drive Every Mid-Engine Porsche at Laguna Seca ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

 

hmm, u know nobody will ever reading all of this 600 pages ; )
well, just forget about harris and steve (despite i think harris is good at his career).
there are 3 different model for 918 and 19.9 is the best one i've ever seen.
The 0-100 km/h makes to 2.8 seconds, the 0-200 km/h in 7.7 seconds, the 0-300 km/h in 22 seconds and has a top speed of 345 km/h. With package Weissach 0-100 km/hr to 2.6 makes seconds (-0.2 seconds), the 0-200 km/h to 7.2 seconds (-0.5 seconds) while the 0 – 300 km/h does in 19.9 seconds ~> Two-Thirds of Porsche 918 Spyder Production Run Sold | Car x Motor
this one is 20.9 ~> Porsche 918 Spyder acceleration times - AccelerationTimes.com and this one 23! ~> Introducing the Porsche 918 Spyder then there's 19.9 ~> On-board video with Porsche 918 Spyder doing 0-333 km/h sprint
for P1, as i said 16.5 ~>McLaren P1 and ~> News

so u say all of them all mumbo jumbo and foolishness?! i can give u more proof if u want. and wanna know, did u seen the 0-300 km videos??
and yes 9.8 is great time (10 in some tests), but P1 has same time with more speed at the end of line.
i didnt misperesent the 918. so plz be rational and take a look again at my points and the references (except Goodwood times)

-if someone get me out of the dark and disprove my points with some "reasons" i'll be really appreciated : ) just ^IGNORE THE BIAS^

 

FYI: Autocar actually tested the P1 at about, over 22 secs for it's 0-186 mph run.

I would just ignore the late night party crashers.

But then again, I guess it's appreciated, if you actually think they believe what they're saying, and are just unaware of the reams of conversation, data, events, and fact that have already been presented and dissected here ad nauseum, by various owners, drivers, fans, and non fans alike.

Notice the new post, registrations?? That should, may tell us something??

 

McLaren life invasion on Fchat? :-

Autobahn Porsche 918 Spyder 350+ km/h / 218 mph speedometer video - YouTube

 

For someone who's able to spend $2mil+ on automobiles, you've got some issues to go along with that 'luckiness'. Clearly have to 'deal with' insecurities and god knows what else you've got going on.

Who's 'most people'? And back to using the 'seat of the pants' argument, with 'agreement'. Desperate. And what does that have to do with standardized tests in AMS, C&D, MT, Top Gear, Autocar, where the 918 is quicker against P1's measured time. Top Gear and EVO have done h2h battles, and in both cases the 918 was quicker in a straight line AND around a track (and more exciting in the process). In EVO's lapping of Anglesey (a 1.5 mile track), 918 whipped P1 by 1.5 seconds. In Top Gear's h2h test in Spain, 918 beat P1 by nearly 1 second around that track.

The way YOU see it, Phanny shoved it in my face pretty nicely? Really? Digging up waaaaaay outdated perceptions and guesses, that have since been shown the door. Awww, I'm soooo hurt. Errr, NO. You are beyond silly. BTW, how did you manage to re-register on this forum (but this time claim to be a P1 owner, also with a 918 on the way). How many different names have you gone by so far?

 

Yep! BTW, those that got banned here are re-registering using different Ip's and emails etc. The merry go round continues!

 

Yep, and that's why I questioned the whole idea of posters coming here (or coming back under different names) just to start crap, drama.

 

That's everything you consider 'proof'? Really? Search the data more carefully. BTW, 0-300km/h (186mph) in 19.9 sec is the factory 'claim'. We all know Porsche is conservative with claims. In a full, legit test of WP 918 Spyder, AMS recorded 19.1 sec in very high wind conditions (that's the time they settled on, but the faster times they saw in certain directions were in the low 18's.

Autocar's full instrumented test for P1 (and in full video review SS says P1 is the greatest supercar ever, and making a huge point of it being British), they recorded 0-300km/h in 20.2sec (vs 16.5sec for Mac's claim), so even in high winds 918 comfortably shines. In same Autocar test, they recorded 0-180mph in 18.0sec, for reference: Car & Driver recorded 17.5sec for 918 Spyder. Are you not impressed with 0-60mph in 2.2sec? It is a massive massive achievement for a road car to shatter 2.5sec threshold, the physics involved.

Motor Trend will be doing a new full standardized test of a production P1 for 'real' data because their impromptu test of that P1 prototype was not standard (the car being a prototype is only one reason of several as they admit).

In the only head to head tests so far, Top Gear and EVO, in both tests, the 918 Spyder was quicker in straight line testing and around the track. In Top Gear comparo, 918 accelerated quicker both from static and in-gear, it braked noticeably better, had more grip and better handling, it had much more chassis stability and tighter more confidence inspiring steering (same results in EVO test too).

Harris and SS back then claiming P1 to be 'much faster everywhere' ...'a whole new level'... 'in a different solar system' was utterly whacky and unhinged because they were fully aware that 918's they drove were not production spec, power and handling spec. Yet they were fully insistent that their assessments were de facto then and in future time once cars were delivered. That's what I'm getting at with my saying "Foolishness".

And according to 'Driftwithme' you ''shoved my face in it'' with all your information and 'questions'. Information that is incomplete and/or inaccurate. Hopefully I've now removed my face from whatever 'it' was

 

You are by far the most hateful, disturbed magazine racer i have come across so far. You need a nice comfy porsche pyjama to make u sleep better at night.

Actually iv been here since 2009, you are showing signs of psychosis, abnormal social behaviour and failure to recognise what is real. id go get myself checked if i was you.

 

Nice try. Present it in context rather than just attempting to diminish the 918. Silly rabbit. Just two laps to 'sample' it.

"...Sports-car racer David Donohue was in the Turbo S. The 918 chased him around the track effortlessly. The thing is so easy to drive at speed, your author can hardly take any credit for piloting skill. Sure, the insaniac-tech Porsche was more fun than a Nissan GT-R on the same track but perhaps not as enjoyable as the McLaren 650S, a car that feels for all the world like a last-generation Cayman with a twin-turbo racing engine stuffed behind the seats. It was hard to be sure. It was all over so quickly. But hey lawdy mama, that V-8 sure does make a sound!"

 

I was driving the 458 spider on my way to test the 918. After doing a couple of laps in the porsche, i sat in the 458 a bit disappointed. Yes the 918 was an incredibly fast car with mind-blowing tech, but the 458 was more fun. Brake feel, steering and the way the engine sounded was actually better in the ferrari. I could have as much fun in a 458 or even more around a track or down my favourite roads.

I guess i expected the 918 to be the new carrera gt in terms of driver involvement. But the p1 actually turned out to be more of a carrera gt in character.

Porsche have done an outstanding job with the 918, the performance is so accessible even your grandmother could drive that car fast. Its a great car that can be driven by anyone.

But the p1 is just that much more enjoyable.

 

I'm a 'hateful' and 'disturbed' magazine racer? How oblivious you are to the feces tossing that YOU started. You began your contribution to this thread with a pompous insistence that because you own both cars (ok, your 918 is 'on the way'), others must 'deal with it', ie. P1 is faster because all the data out there says so, and especially because you and others that have driven both 'agree' that P1 is faster and much more exciting, more of an occasion because, well because you own one so none of the test results from publications really say anything.

I'm 'hateful', this coming from a presumptuous snob (because we can't actually buy/own million dollar machines, we couldn't possibly have access to real information from Porsche folks themselves or generous owners/would be owners) continuing with hurling insults like your 'Colorado and pot legistlation' chill suggestion. Someone who made silly comments in all of your 10 posts (your 'doubt that 918 could keep up with P1' and you driving it 90% of the time, where 918 is for 'nice weather', etc, etc, etc), and then try to backtrack...and then respond to those that called you out by claiming they are the one 'over-analyzing' things (such as CarMaven). Making it out that they are the folks 'lacking'. But guess what? Those comments of yours are what got the ball rolling. Heck of an entrance despite being 'here' since 2009. Bravo.

AND... it is PAJAMA, chump.

 

Im just an enthusiast, like many others, who actually enjoys driving and sharing my thoughts on these cars.

However, if you and your friends think you have the right to throw words at me and expect me to shut up because you have more posts you are mistaken. And how can a legislation be an insult? Its a blessing buddy enjoy it.