These thoughts would vary by where the personal views lay. I totally get carbs are original design blah blah blah . Every time there has been a speed test, performance shoot out, or general comparison of some sort, if the CT has placed 2nd or later, immediately the pleas of whoa whoa whoa the car must not have been tuned properly, the carbs must need work. Way back in the day I recall reading how a special technique had to be figured out just get one to start, putting a black cloud over CT ownership. Imo, it comes down to part operator error. With how finicky and responsive these engines are, slightly out of sync carbs will have a massive impact on performance. I do have a FI car. It starts up immediately EVERY time, does its high idle warm up, and drops down to an incredibly stable idle. From right off idle it's smooth as glass, pulls like 450+ horses should and will rev as high as your willing to push it. No flat spots, no stuttering, just smooth, HARD, strong pulling acceleration every single time, when ever I'm ready. I have removed the cats for safety reasons(yea right) and installed quicksilver ceramic coated headers and mufflers. I am very satisfied with it. Nice quality, perfect fit, and sounds great. I grew up tuning carbs and love them, but the simplicity and performance of the newer FI technology leaves me with zero regrets. I see a car with newer technology advancements, and greatly improved reliability ( not to mention handling and build quality) a much more appealing toy/investment. Imo, that is where value comes in. If I can't go out drive my dream car when a window of opportunity opens and I don't know if it will start, where is the value in that? As said many times before it is what you want to do with YOUR car and how you want your experience to be. Simple as that.
So with the original radio it would have been what? $500K?.. you make it sound like the radio is the big deal! lol...
The lighting in this photo, of the CT on stage, give the wheels a yellowish tint( at least on my small phone screen). I think the Anni would look marvelous with a set of gold wheels. Anyone now of a undamaged set of Anni wheels at a reasonable cost?
To many in the current market, it is a big deal, especially after the price jump. Standards are much higher on original items than they were 2 years ago. No, I'm not saying it would be another $100k, why are you putting those words in my mouth? All I'm saying is, the car is priced at top of the market (albeit a very small price range), so why shouldn't it be a top flight car? To my eyes, the combination of the paint and the radio make it NOT a top flight car. So I guess you now need to pay more than $400k to get the best. Is all of the talk of restoring Countaches to original condition (read Geno's thread among others) just a bunch of BS because the market doesn't want originality? Please, pull the other one. Someone else actually did suggest (tongue in cheek) then that their car was now worth another $100k, why are you not jumping on them? Regarding the car in the UK, maybe my point is not coming across about the fact that you may not be able to get right in and drive that car because of the low miles. So I'll restate, if it is a "deal" depends on what you want to use it for. Museum piece: yes Driver: probably not I get that we have different opinions but my buyers are just as, if not more, willing to look at a well excercised car as they are a garage queen. This has been discussed ad nauseum. I'm well aware that DD cars command a premium, but the thought well bought car can quickly fill that vacuum to it's premium by shop cost to get it on the road. Let it be noted that as values rise, shops are also increasing prices to do the same work as a couple years ago. So pulling a motor because it's dry is also more expensive now than it was 2 years ago. Reality of the market. Anyone I advise gets an assessment of each car from me for what their total "in" cost of the car should be. You can't just look at a purchase price, or if you do, you should know that a discount is often for a reason. I also have several very recent experiences and first hand accounts of a car that "sure did look good rolling across the block" but in person the car was far from it. As always beware of auction cars, even the pretty ones. I guess I'm in the wrong place if anyone wants to discuss real numbers or actually give thought and a critical eye to a car. And since none of us were there, aren't we just speculating anyway?
That notion is changing. Consider that by the advent of the 25th, carbs were obsolete. Consider too that there are twice as many Carb cars as Fuelie cars for both the 25th and the QV, and one day the market will address this (if its not beginning to already), especially for the 25th. Best,
More power usually always wins... The FI car is excellent, they should all be worth more than 246 Dino's, etc, etc....
I hold the feeling that the theater of all the carbs and linkage working behind your head is truly unique and will always hold true. Sidedraft or DD Couple that with the extra noises and power and you quickly realize what is more fascinating in terms of machinery and execution. It is a main reason that makes the Countach and the Miura for that matter, more exciting over other supercars of any era.
Very interesting perspective and insight Joe. I can't say that I've heard anyone talk about the #'s of carb cars to FI cars and value. No doubt the 25th is on a roll. All things considered do you think the increasing desire is more about "last and most refined" or a new found appreciation of the 25th's style? Sorry if this has been discussed before (I haven't been keeping up on this thread).
wait. really?? carbed cars are more abundant than FI?? I thought it was the opposite! the only reason I'd want a carbed car is for the sound but an ansa exhaust cured that for me
This is right on for me also. As overly talked about as belt change intervals on a 3x8. I don't have the liberty to drive the car every week and keep up with carbs. If I could find a plenum that looked like side draft carbs I'd be in heaven.
Given these #'s (my cheat sheet that I'm sure will be corrected ) , it looks close if the bulk of 25th's are FI. Image Unavailable, Please Login
FI is a US market car & the rest of the world got the non emission version. Advantages to both. The FI is a more efficient cleaner version. The carb version produces more hp, going on Lamborghini numbers.
Like what these guys make? Hilborn Fuel Injectors I've never used them but I wonder if the custom application could work.
Both. When I started this thread I had no doubt the variant would see better days - despite the doubters, its interesting to see some of the early comments (which are preserved for posterity).
Of the 658 25ths built, less than 200 were Fuelie cars (187 USA/Canada cars). This means over 450 Carb 25ths.
We all love Carbed cars, and most of the Countachs Ive owned have been Carbed. But, a Fuelie Countach without cats/with open exhaust sounds just as nice! [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baxA8SaTk0U]Lamborghini Countach 25th anniversary edition - V12 - SEXY - HOT - YouTube[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysr6eRxQfpw]lamborghini countach ansa sport - YouTube[/ame]
That's my baby when Paul had her - Ansa was supplied to him by Emilio. The cars been a revelation - great to drive and easier to live with. Even I can tune idle and mixtures armed with only a vacuum gauge. I too have either owned or driven all variants of the Countach. Today and in this market, as a driver, I choose the Anni. Most of the older cars available to me were badly neglected or in need of full restoration. I think part of the appeal of the 25th is that as a buyer you still have a chance to get an original car, enjoy and preserve it. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Exactly. What most people don't realize is that the cars got more reliable & robust as production went along from LP400 to 25th. In that sense, the 25th is the best. I'm not saying a neglected 25th is without the possibility of faults, but it really is the most usable Countach bar none. Why? Because it was built better. Its really not unusual that the last variant of any car model is the one that comes to be sought after for those wanting to enjoy one.
yes, i agree this is how any countach should sound imo (the stock equipment is too quiet and heavy....even more so the US catalysed cars...they also produce too much heath ) i have seen videos made by Paul and others after they put the ANSA on and it would be impossible to tell if the car was a FI or carbed from sound.
you bought a VERY nice anniversary congratulations! a friend of mine has a twin car in LHD form in Texas
