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Driving it smooth from stop - Can't get it right

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  1. jmerola001

    jmerola001 Rookie

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    This is probably a stupid question from a very inexperience F430 owner.....but I need some pointers on how to smooth out my stop to start transitions (red lights, stop signs, etc...).

    Had my '05 F430 F1 about 5 weeks. Car has about 10k miles on it, clutch life was reported at 80% during pre-purchase inspection. I have a lot of manual transmission experience, and have learned how to drive manual transmission cars very smoothly and without much clutch slippage (including some high HP cars (S/C Mustang, Cammed Z06)).

    I find the stop to start transition in this F430 to be the most difficult to master. More often than not, I either under gas it (revs drop, then go up with a car buck) or over gas it (revs go up, and clutch slips). Keeping the RPM's @ 1500 while transitioning seems to be the smoothest with least amount of clutch slippage.....But doing that consistently is much easier said than done.

    Anyone have a tip or trick for me to focus on to help me consistently perform better as an F1 driver? I really would like to minimize clutch wear, and at the same time, save some embarrassment from my obvious inept F1 skills.

    Thanks for the help,

    - Jason
     
  2. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    It will take practise & time and maybe increase the revs a little (eg 1800)
     
  3. Joegnsx

    Joegnsx Formula Junior
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    Mine bucks once in a great while--but not from a stop--I blame not down-shifting....I assume you are in first gear? Maybe more accelerator? Mine just works so not sure what to add? Hope you figure it out!
     
  4. 993man

    993man Formula Junior
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    Yep they're tricky cars for sure, but after a while you'll get the feel for the car and master it.

    The odd jump still happens too me but no where as much as it use to.

    Have you launched it yet? See how that goes :)
     
  5. English Rebel

    English Rebel Formula 3

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    You going to contribute to his clutch fund? :)
    Alan
     
  6. GyllesSmyth

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    It will become more natural very quickly.

    I had the same experience when I first acquired my 360. Like you, through trial and error I found that the best way to take off from a stop (in terms of bogging versus burning the clutch) was to get the revs up to between 1,500 and 2,000 rpm. Subsequent searching on this forum led me to find that most of those expressing opinions believe this is also the most conducive to prolonging the life of the clutch.

    Keeping this in mind, it should become second nature in no time. Other than that, I'd just recommend practicing at times when there isn't much traffic out on the roads; it's a lot easier to practice when you don't have to deal with

    * being stuck in crawling traffic,
    * a truck three inches off your back bumper while stopped on a steep hill (Seattle drivers suck), or
    * with the car behind you leaning on the horn as you give yourself some space behind the car in front of you before you rev it.

    Congratulations on the 430!
     
  7. Ingenere

    Ingenere F1 Veteran
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    What works for me is as I roll on the throttle, I feel the clutch bite. When it bites, I increase throttle. That has given the best launch, with little to no clutch slip.
     
  8. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

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    I don't have a stick in my car (scud), but for other manual transmission cars I own I find that lightly/quickly blipping the throttle immediately before you start to release the clutch works well. Avoids the bogging issue because the revs are kicked up a bit and you don't overrev because it's just a blip (not a rev and hold).

    As others have said though, it's all a matter of acclimating to the car. In my experience, each manual transmission is a little different. The tricky part is when you own more than one manual transmission car and have to adjust between them.
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Dave- He has F1.
     
  10. GyllesSmyth

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    Exactly. From a stop in the 360, it usually seems to hook up at around the 1600-1800 rpm mark, so I try to get to that point quickly and in a smooth manner.
     
  11. 993man

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    Surely your'e not going to burn the clutch out with a couple of launches?

    And no!
     
  12. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

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    Oh, missed that. Never mind.
     
  13. futureferraribuyer

    futureferraribuyer Formula Junior

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    Maybe you just need to get used to it or F1 may need adjustment. No question F430 is much smoother compared to 360.

    I just had a leaking hydraulic line that was replaced on my F1 system. Everything was bled and redone and now the shifts are faster and taking off from stop is much smoother and dramatically faster.
     
  14. GyllesSmyth

    GyllesSmyth Karting

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    Out of curiosity, has anyone determined the approximate clutch wear associated with a hard launch? If so, multiplying the cost of clutch replacement by that number divided by 0.75 (assuming a clutch can typically go to ~75% wear before requiring replacement) would provide an estimate of the expected "cost-per-launch" for these cars ... random thought from a bored finance geek.

    And why are you calling him Shirley?



    (For those who don't get the last bit, thank you for Googling "Leslie Nielsen - Airplane" before responding.)
     
  15. Joegnsx

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    Surely you jest...
     
  16. GyllesSmyth

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    #16 GyllesSmyth, Sep 11, 2014
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