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  1. Aircon

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    wow...that's HUGE
     
  2. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Given what data Charlie has access to, I dont think teams will do very well if they under estimate his reach. 1 or 2 penalties can alter a race significantly. This will be interesting to watch.
     
  3. VIZSLA

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    This is an issue?

    F1 is supposed to be a team sport.
     
  4. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    It is yet these rules are already in the code and would appear to have been ignored etc. This should be no shock to the legal staff for each team.

    --Charlie Whiting has now issued a Technical Directive to the teams stating that Article 20.1 of the Sporting Regulations – which states that “the driver must drive the car alone and unaided” --
     
  5. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    This is a great step. It puts more emphasis on natural driver skill and talent. Those that can drive will, those that are just good at copying how others go fast will suffer. I guess that means Rosberg and Massa are the obvious losers from this decision...
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I wont predict who will or will not get the best of this. All drivers are on the radio obtaining data. It will be fun to see the results and teams working around this if they can.
     
  7. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Once again the role of Inspector Renault will be played by Charlie Whiting.
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  8. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    LOL!! Shocked I tell you :) ...my winning please lol! :) So classic it is!
     
  9. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    #34 Fast_ian, Sep 12, 2014
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    From a 2012 article on Bernie's site;

    As I've said before, "Charlie sees (& hears) all"..... And it all gets recorded of course.....

    (Aside; running that mess would be a gig I could be tempted to do for nothing! Sweeping the floor, not so much ;) )

    Cheers,
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  10. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Indeed. As Procoach noted above, if they're sharing data in the briefings (doubtful in some cases these days!;)), why shouldn't they be able to do it real time?

    FWIW, My "feeling" is that, at this level at least, they should be driving the thing "alone & unaided".

    But it's an interesting debate.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  11. 456rogers

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    I actually don't like the idea...listening to the radio conversations is part of the entertainment for me when I watch it on TV...plus every team can communicate so where is the unfair advantage...the only upside is it may reduce sandbagging fuel if the pit can't advise the driver to "save the tires"
     
  12. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    There will still be plenty of radio chatter.

    So, we should still hear Isobels top 40! ;)

    Cheers,
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  13. YAMVS6

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    one question,they are using fuel flow sensors,and limited,so why do they have to tell hamilton to back off,why not just let them wing it on their own,let them run,and see where they end up at the end of the race?
     
  14. trumpet77

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    They can't discuss tire conditions? Isn't that crossing into the safety category? Although i would hope the driver can feel the tires fading and slowing his lap times.

    The above answered my question on languages. I would have to imagine it would be easy to slip into your native language, so with this year's grid that could be English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese and etc.

    Which reminds me that the one race on NBCSN last year that Mario Andretti was on, at least they had one guy that could translate some of the Italian radio chatter! Maybe the BBC and other broadcasters do better in this regard.
     
  15. subirg

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    I don't have an issue with telling drivers the consequences of their actions in real time - e.g. you are using too much fuel, or your are burning up your tyres. What is absolutely wrong in my view, is actively coaching drivers on how to drive the car in real time during a race - e.g. your team mate is faster in corners 2 and 5, or use 4th gear in turn 3 rather than 3rd etc etc. More and more the radio comms we have been hearing over this season have fallen into the second category. Removing that is a good thing.
     
  16. James_Woods

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    I see this as yet another rule which is going to be very difficult to really enforce...what are they going to do, listen in on every car's radio traffic and make moment by moment decisions if anything had anything to do with "car performance"?

    Then what if they catch them at "something"? Penalize for X number of seconds depending on how bad they arbitrarily think it was? Drive through penalties?

    Sounds ridiculous to me, and does NOT sound as if it will make the racing any better at all.

    But then what do I know? Most everyone here seems to like it...
     
  17. Fast_ian

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    That's my feeling too, and what I believe they're trying to do here. I *think* (but have been wrong before! ;)) the Autosport article quoted is a little mistaken in what they suggest is now allowed/disallowed.

    I'm sure they're all asking the same questions of Charlie right now too!.....

    As for language choice, I seem to recall Matchett (?) claiming the regs said all comms had to be in English. But, a quick check reveals only;

    That most of us are simple English only speakers is not an issue apparently! ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  18. Fast_ian

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    I think so!.... Not only do they already hear all radio traffic in real time, they record it too.

    I'm sure Charlie is being asked the same kind of questions as we are asking!

    As I said, I don't think it's so much outlawing "your brakes are getting too hot" or "you're using too much fuel" as it's aimed at outlawing real time driver coaching. "He's gaining .2 in sector 2" or "you can get on the power earlier exiting turn x" type stuff.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  19. Jack-the-lad

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    If they did away with the silly artifice of compulsory multiple tire compounds that would eliminate the need for a lot of the radio transmissions.
     
  20. James_Woods

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    This is true. I have never understood the purpose behind these tire rules.
     
  21. kraftwerk

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    Sorry, I needed an excuse to post this :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBt3mJtgJc
     
  22. VIZSLA

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    In that the practice has been around for a while and the ability to ban it has as well, my question is why now?

    Or, who does it hurt the most?

    Couldn't be that they're trying to hobble Mercedes, could it?
     
  23. Jack-the-lad

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    Well, I've never heard Hammy utter, "Leave me alone. I know what I'm doing."

    But I did hear Nico say, "Don't give me the gaps!" (And if you've ever had the gaps you know how painful they can be.)
     
  24. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    LOL, yes but now listen, that quote inspired a T shirt logo, that the Viz promptly went out and purchased or stole, not sure which..;)
     
  25. Jack-the-lad

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    My wife wants one. No, seriously, she does.....dedicated Kimi fangirl.
     

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