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  1. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    If nothing else, Kimi gives value for money in the quote department...;)
     
  2. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Nah.

    I don't believe so.

    Maybe we're only getting to hear it now, but what's changed recently, to me at least, is the real-time coaching.

    I think that's pretty much how Procoach makes his living!.... Great stuff! :)

    But should it be legal here?

    Cheers,
    Ian
    Edit; and of course, it not just Merc that are doing it.
     
  3. VIZSLA

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    Bought it from an F-Chatter but I saw them for sale at a recent historic meet.
     
  4. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    No it's not but they seem to have more issues that need monitoring than most.
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Because they're typically at the front, maybe?....
    ;)

    Cheers,
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  6. asjoseph

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    ... known in legal nomenclature as a "parade of horribles," FiA's newfangled radio assistance ban legally calls into question efficacy of other drivers aids. In particular, remote engine intervention, launch control and DRS.

    If a driver must pilot his car wholly unaided, that DRS is deemed legal, that launch control is deemed legal, that's it's okay for programmers and analysts to manipulate engine parameters via telemetry, but team members softly humming a soothing lullaby over the radio, coaxing their driver with a full blatter to the finish line, is deemed illegal?

    The absurdity.

    If FiA enforces its radio assistance ban, then they have to eliminate radio contact between team and driver, completely. And, FiA must reverse its jurisprudence, eliminating direct team intervention with their engines via telemetry, DRS, and launch control - asj.
     
  7. JWeiss

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    While I'm skeptical that this is going to go well, the big-bang implementation seems most bizarre to me. If they're really going to change from non-enforcement to full-enforcement, they should at least phase it in over a few races. For the first race or two, have race control just issue an advisory to the team that the message they just sent will (in the future) draw a penalty. At least this would give the teams a chance to adjust.
     
  8. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    And I'm sure that's exactly what will happen....

    We only get to hear a tiny percentage of their chit-chat (BS?.... ;))

    Personally, I think;

    "Use the magic paddle", and other hits are OK. But;

    "Your teammate is xx kph faster than you into turn y"

    Should be illegal.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  9. VIZSLA

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    They have brake issues that come from their energy recovery system for one thing.

    My question is, since the pits are relaying info that they get from the car can't a simplified version of that data be displayed directly in the cockpit?

    As for strategy advice, it all depends on what you think a driver's role should be. Does the team's role end when the car leaves the pits or not?
     
  10. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Thank goodness!..... The season would have ended months back otherwise! ;)

    I have a suspicion that's *exactly* what they're working on right now..... The new display most are using is "totally programmable".....

    GREAT question!..... I dunno......

    Another I could argue both ways dependent upon the ox I guess..... ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  11. PSk

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    About bloody time. I think I suggested this about 6 years ago.
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  12. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    If they're going to handicap teams to enhance competition they should be honest about it.
    Take a lesson from the Sport of Kings every point earned carries a weight penalty.
    If the sport's to be a farce let's go all the way.
     
  13. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Sorry, I'm not following you..... They could all do it/not do it until now..... Merc are primarily the ones we've heard, and some will claim dear old Phil has benefitted, but I don't see any handicap for one team?

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    Judging by the limited sample of radio that we hear MB seems to be making more use of the type of stuff the ban is aimed at. Of course what we hear may not be at all representative.

    My broader point is that periodically the FIA belatedly decides to enforce certain rules. The rules aren't new, the transgressions aren't new but something motivates them to act.
    coincidentally the action diminishes a dominent team's advantage.
     
  15. Sellnit

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    I'm just but a box salesman, but this sport is becoming a bit nervous.....mid season changes scream of desperation.
     
  16. rcallahan

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    I think the ban is stupid. Whats next, the drivers can't see the data between stints? Why have radios at all??

    Bob
     
  17. merstheman

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    Racing was better when the radios didn't exist.
     
  18. rcallahan

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    Maybe the teams can just display the messages on the pit wall or have numerous message boards on each turn to advise the driver! :)
     
  19. rcallahan

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    No it was not.

    bob
     
  20. merstheman

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    TV shows whatever they want. I think they are showing more MB radio chatter simply because MB is the front running team, and also the team where both drivers (and their engineers) are in a fierce battle for the championship. It makes sense to showcase more of the MB radio chatter, for ratings purposes. The FIA and the TV broadcast has access to all the communication. The FIA so that it can enforce rules, the TV broadcast so they can pick what grabs most attention and makes the race more exciting.
     
  21. Remy Zero

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    Safety issue?
     
  22. PSk

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    It was because you did not have a strategist telling the driver not to try and pass because he thinks the guy in front is due to pit.

    Team should prepare the car and the driver should do a ALL the rest IMO.
    Pete
     
  23. PSk

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    The only reason is to inform the drivers of strategy decisions. Should never have been allowed. Stirling Moss didn't need a flipping radio!

    I was offered one once in a team race and told them firmly to F off as the last thing I need is to have to talk to somebody while I'm driving.
    Pete
     
  24. toil

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    Why not just get rid of telemetry all together
     
  25. PSk

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    like they did for 50+ years ... worked fine.
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