Not talking about 991 turbo vs 458S track performance. I am talking about forced induction vs N/A engine. 991 Turbo is a grand tourer, not a track Speciale. For absolute pwr forced induction is king. The new 458T or whatever Ferrari will call it will be faster than 458. Still not saying I don't love the wonderful 458 engine. The sound is wonderful. I do have Ferrari sport exhaust. Perfect sound, not too loud.
My apologies, F50Fanatic wrote that, not you. One can still make a hugely powerful NA engine. It will just have to be bigger and rev highet than a turbo engine. Not something very popular in this eco crazy times. Fortunately F makes such engines, the V12s.
I don't get why people are referring to the new car as the 458T, the engine is smaller than that. I love the new roof intake, which I think is staying on the final car. I was told the car has less 'drone' at cruising speed than the California T, hopefully this is true.
A stupid quote in today's high tech world, we don't live anymore in the eighties. Sorry, but someone who says a modern turbo engine is "cheap" has no idea of engine engineering. Please tell me, why do you ignore so strictly the announcement that Ferrari will combine an high rev layout with turbo pressure?
He is right though no need to be facetious. General principle holds true: can throw mega bucks at a naturally aspirated engine trying to improve hp for minimal gains or spend a buck on a turbocharger and get oodles of hp
Stupid? I think you are talking to a mirror. Ancient Chinese invented the wheel, why are we still using the wheel today? Does that mean we are living in ancient world? Bugatti should be shameful that they use a Vso-many engine with so-many turbo but local custom store install a single turbo in a Datsun GTR or a baby Lambo (Gallardo) for under $100,000 and they run faster than Bugatti Veyron. Means bringing out the Bugatti comparison is bringing out a failure example. I have never seen any local custom store can make an 458 to perform like Speciale without adding Turbo, or Enzo to sound like FXX. That's all because BOOST IS SUPER CHEAP, REVS IS EXPENSIVE, AND LIGHT WEIGHT IS SUPER EXPENSIVE.
It can be seen on one of the mules running around and I saw two renders from Ferrari containing roof intakes for the engine. This was awhile ago but I believe it will stay on the production version.
I have the same thought. I think it should be called the 398T if the proper nomenclature is to be followed.
According to some news, it will be exactly the same engine with California T, with extra boost though.
I have the impression that you invest much time in custom stores; unhappy with the power of your spider? If I follow your logic Ferrari should be EXTREMELY shameful because one of your local custom store will install a single turbo in a Datsun GTR for under $100,000 and run much faster than your very expensive high sophisticated high rev 458 Spider. The same question to you; why do you ignore so strictly the announcement that Ferrari will combine an EXPENSIVE high rev layout PLUS turbo pressure?
I respect more a new version that being faster because of lighter rather than more power. It's like how they turn 458 into Speciale. And the next turbocharged V8 will be a California T with extra boost, just like what Audi has been doing. Forget about the high screaming trademark.
I am quite sure that quote still holds true. Btw, a 7500 cut off as per the CaliT, is not what you'd call very high revving.
What about the 7750 cut off in the Cali30 with its V8 N/A engine? Wow, an epic difference of 250 rpm's between the holy V8 N/A and the new turbo. In reference to the additional 250NM (approx 185lbf ft) and 70hp for sure more than acceptable. The CaliT is a GT, I guess it is correct from Ferrari to design also the new turbo engine characteristic accordingly. You will find also between the Cali30 V8 (F136IH) and the Speciale V8 (F136FL, same engine family!) a cut off difference of about 1250 revs. Now let's think about.
Based on every turbocharged successor to NA, I have never seen any better throttle response, fun or sound. Only speed is faster. California 30 to California T, Zonda to Huayra, BMW M5 V10 to V8 Turbo, and worst of all : 2013's to 2014's F1. It's not that turbo is bad, but when we pay lots of $$$ for a car, we should get something different with those cheaper cars. If Ferrari is adding boost from California T's engine and call it all new, 458' successor, what makes Ferrari different with Audi? Worse, the next hardcore version (Scuderia, Speciale) is an extra boost version. Henessy can also do it.
I agree XTP. There is no need to offset the camo over the door like that unless they are allowing the mule to draw air through the leading edge... FF
If you have available an amount of $ XXX to develop and produce a new high tech engine which has to deliver highest values in performance and efficiency the usage of a turbo system is inevitable. In the case of Ferrari this has for sure nothing to do with "cheaper production costs", it has to do with highest output per invested $. The engineers have to develop simply a new street legal racing engine which will set new market benchmarks. With the new V8 turbo engine Ferrari will present us the modernest, most powerful street racing engine with highest efficiency capabilities. And this is the answer to your question "what makes the difference to Audi"; at the end it is Ferrari's claim to set always the market benchmark with its new products in in the entirety. For me it is clear, the 458 successor will set THE new market benchmark. Like your car/model did it a few years ago. Think about, if Ferrari would go the "cheapest way" they would continue to use the "old" V8 engine.
You sound like the Ferrari's spokesman-wannabe. You may make a long and nice composition about Ferrari, but in the end, based on the plan that the 458's successor will use the same engine with California T with extra boost, I think Ferrari goes turbo is more about $$$. Imagine, you don't need to spend $$$ on new engine development, same engine can be used for many generations, just add boost or get a larger turbo, remap the software, call it S. (sounds Audi, right). For me it's very simple. Before the turbocharged Ferrari, when I wanted a super car, I would only go for Ferrari, even the wait was long. But later, I think every brand has the same value. I can go McLaren, Audi, Porsche, etc. Because they are all the same, nothing special with Ferrari anymore. Imagine a Ferrari that sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Btw, the new Huracan is still very special.
this is why i will pick up the F458 speciale while i can. no matter 'why' ferrari goes turbocharged on the 458 successor (i think it is because they need to keep $$$ down and hp up to reach the maclaren), so far every turbo charged car i have driven felt worse in the emotions-department than its predecessor. faster yes, but otherwise worse. for street driving who cares? the F458 is plenty fast. peter
Does anybody know when this new car will be revealed? Would love to get a comparison between the mclaren vs this vs huracan. Hmm I know that Ferrari's are supposed to scream and sound exciting but I have faith that Ferrari will find a way to incorporate turbo noises with the classic ferrari screams.
Based on the reviews about California T, and worst of all in the history of machine kind : 2014's F1, the 458's successor with turbocharged engine won't sound good. And there is never any turbocharged successor with better or even equal sound. Even Pagani that is so concern about sound, can't make Huayra's sound even close to Zonda. Another bad thing about turbo, is the throttle response. You know, that sudden-push feeling.
True true, the huayra does sound intoxicating tho but pagani did want it like that. Well look at the merc 63amg they are turbocharged but still sound pretty magnificent. Itll all be up to the engineer who designs the turbo and exhaust. Are they still going for aluminum chassis or carbon mono or hybird?
