Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Whats wrong with the pic? I was demonstrating how awesome modern hypercars are, they come with a built in browser.

 

You haven't seen the video fan-boy - you're just choosing to believe anything comes out of any McLaren employees mouth. Unlike you, most of us don't believe everything we're told - we require proof of some kind. You're very naive and very gullible.

This makes perfect sense. However, the members of the McLaren cult are clearly struggling to come to terms with it.

Glad you've finally come to this realisation - are you going to shut up talking about the fictional lap time now?

This says it all. The P1 proved to be too slow just like the MP4-12C was when it launched. What do McLaren do? Keep developing it and give it more power so that it will be able to keep up with the competition. This is nothing new. In fact, it's standard practice at McLaren. If at first you don't succeed then give it more power until you do.

100% correct.

Funny how Erik has always *****ed about Porsche's decision to further develop the 918. Now, McLaren are apparently doing the same thing with the P1 - why's he not *****ing about it?

 

Weren't you banned?

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ER

 

Rough day modena? Dude, I've never experienced someone so sad. You may like Ferraris and hate McLarens but take some good advice and stop throwing tantrums, you come across as a spoiled child. Whatever issues you might have, I'm sure there are plenty of therapists who could help you feel a bit better about your situation, not all of us can have successful lives. My heart really bleeds for you, you have so much pent up anger and it upsets me to see you wearing your emotions on your posts. Have you ever thought about adopting a pet?

 

Lol @ adopting a pet.

 

That is very clear,

That is not really what I am referring to. I am referring to annoying anyone by base your claims on some video that none of us can verify. But that seem to be the game of choice of McLaren and it's fanboys.

right back at ya!

 

P1 losing in straight line to LaFerrari

(not srs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWNz2OCbh8c

 

Hehe

The comment about the 918 waiting for them at the next corner is especially funny too.

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ER

 

Haha, this guy is trolling all of you. With the exception of MarkNC, I don't think there is a single real P1 owner in this thread.

Gotta love the internet, you can say anything you want and not back it up. Speaking of which I have a plane to catch, my private 747 is all fueled up and waiting for me.

 

I skimmed the list of thread participants and there are at least 8 that I am aware of.

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ER

 

there is no way a P1 is ever going to outrun a 918 on a racetrack. The advantage of AWD in a car of such high horsepower cannot be underestimated

 

McLaren is quite selective to being on good terms with their customers. Those that blow their horns gets 'preferred' treatments and maybe get some 'insider' info.

After I blew the whistle on them about the P1 being a souped up 12C last year, I was denied a request to see the P1 while I was visiting the factory even when I had my name down for the 2nd car in Vancouver. I promptly cancelled my order once I got back. Last week the local McLaren dealer offered me the 1st 650R and the 1st P13 in Vancouver, I turned them down immediately, if I am not treated with respect, some other companies can earn my money.

I had only been a Ferrari owner since June, hated their normal dealer practice in North America but once I am in the door I bought another 2 cars and then an allocation for a Speciale Spyder and now they are quite friendly with me, already offered me to visit their factory, and they still haven't officially turn down my request for a LaFerrrari even when it's sold out.

I had criticized Porsche for their Panamera designs, engine troubles with the GT3s and even the constant 918 delays even when I already have a 918 on order. Yet they ares still on good terms with me and during my last visit to the factory 2 weeks ago they even let me put the Porsche badge on my own 918, I don't think many if at all of the LaFerrari, P1 or 918 owners can say they did some work on their very own car.

Even Napolis, aka Jim's company staff had contacted me about their up coming project SCG003. They are very courteous and impressive me a lot. While the entry price is high, I felt like they had captured the essence of the McLaren F1 more so than McLaren's own P1. It is under serious consideration indeed even when I don't think it will be road legal here in Canada.

But one thing I have noticed, those that had ordered a P1 or already taken possession of one are quite defensive about their prized possession, they will defend it to no ends. I might have bought a 918, but I will only state published facts and I won't spread unproven rumours. In my heart I know the 918 will not be the fastest among the 3, well that also depends on how one measure fastest, but I think just for headline numbers, the LaFerrari will be the fastest on say high end accelerations and ultimate top speed. Low speed accelerations will be a cake walk for the 918. The P1 will take the crown on high downforce circuits without a lot of slow speed corners, not sure which circuit might suit that setup but I am sure mid speed corners that requires a lot of downforce and does strain exit speed will be the ones P1 can claim king.

All 3 cars will have their strength and weaknesses, they are quite evenly matched and the fastest car will be dependent on what kind of circuit the 3 cars are ran on.

 

Thanks! We do hope that one day our car will be US legal under "Show and Display" rules and even if it's not for you you'll visit our stand in Geneva and join us at the Ring.

Best

 

As an aside there's a lot of talk of track performance of these three. You may enjoy this highlight video of a six hour race at The Ring not on the NS+GP as in the 24 but only on the GP course between Pro's and Am's in Ferrari's/ McLaren's/Porsches/Nissan's/ Audi's/ MB's/ BMW's/ etc. The 24 is a lot more brutal and includes The Green Hell but this will give you an idea of what real racing at The Ring is like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGDZB-tJJs

 

The F1 track in Barcelona should suit the P1 very well from that perspective.. I think its considered an "aero" circuit, which is why F1 do pre-season testing there almost every year.

 

Sorry to hear that I never felt the same whom did you speak to at the factory ? The guys there really take their job seriously and would never act like that nor they try to sell or pressure you to buy anything i felt home really and had special previews on few projects to come either by showing them
to me or speaking on few key detailed and such.

They really so passionate about what they doing everyone I met at the factory bein super nice not knowing if I'm a future customer a customer or just a visitor.

Now am I defence about my purchase no because I've been buying exotics and dealing with factories since a long time but truly the P1 one of the best cars I've owned and McLaren factory felt like home to me.

But that's me.

Mbn

 

I don't like implicating others, those that are guilty will know from their hearts, there will be hell to pay if I disclosed names. Especially so once they learnt what I have spent on cars after the Woking episode.

I had booked my factory visit not long after I bought my 12C, one of the greatest street car I have driven, I still miss it even now. My visit was for last Easter, I had my name down for a P1 not long after I bought the 12C as the news was just leaking out. A factory personal had contacted me about showing me the P1 even in it's prototype state. But between that and my trip I had found out more about the P1 and the fact that the P1 was based primarily on the 12C platform wasn't lost on me and I went online with that. By the time Easter came and I walked into the doors of McLaren, I was hurried through the tour and when I asked for the P1, I was politely told I can't see it. Even with the brief showing of the McLaren facility, I was mightily impressed, especially so when I get to see an touch the F1 in real life. Too bad I wasn't given the same courtesy like other who have managed to snap pic with the F1. I had only flew about 5000 miles just to visit the factory, not like I lived next door and can visit every other day. Not to mention I wasn't invited to any other P1 event afters.

But being the recipient end of a very polite British cold shoulder, I felt slighted by them and I, after some thoughts for the reminder of the trip, cancelled my order for the P1 once i got back. That accounts for McLaren only selling 8 of the 10 quotas destined for Canada, would have been 9.

I still think highly of McLaren, the P1 is a great example of how potent the 12C platform is. I can only imagine what they can do if they didn't have the constraint that they had for the P1 program.

I know from posts everywhere that McLaren has been very good to a number of selected customers, king like, even better than what I got from Porsche. But 1st impression is the most important in this market segment and Porsche and Ferrari has been spotless compared with McLaren. My local McLaren dealer has been above and beyond in trying to retain me as a customer, but honestly I am not sure if I still want to be one if during the 1st impression Mclaren told me I am not wanted as a customer. It's not like they are the only game in town.

Mbn, you might have recognized me from McLarenLife, I was a active member during my 12C days, but lately the site is quite delusional and polarized about the performance of the P1, I am also active on Rennteam, a majority Porsche fan site, but those guys are realistic about the performance of the 918, same here with the LaFerrari. I meant there are a few maniacs, but generally most are rational. I have also been told about the P1's lap time at the Ring, do I doubt it? A bit, actually quite a bit after knowing the P1's realistic performance envelope and after driving the shipping version 918 on the Weissach track and talked extensively with some Porsche engineers who were stationed at the Ring. But it's what the factory said and I will accept that. The P1 is still an amazing machine, just about the best that came out of Woking no doubt. But it's not what I am looking for.

If someone has the financial means, the SCG003 should be really high up on their list. It really is an amazing machine, not the 918, not the LaFerrari, not the Veyron, and certain not the P1 will be in it's league. As it really is the spiritual competitor to the McLaren F1, for the price, it's really is a bargain. I strongly believe Napolis has a future classic on his hands.

 

Catalunya?

Yes it's pretty much ideal for P1, not many heavy braking zone for 918 to recoup electric power, while all the medium speed corners gives the advantage to the aero grip of the P1, with medium to high speed exit on most corners, the low-mid end punch of the 918 is negated. The front straight might post a problem for the P1 from the LaFerrari, but I think the P1 might have enough reserve through all the other corners to stay ahead of the LaFerrari.

 

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Ha! Wrong again!

Never.

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ER

 

Owning a 2013 12C and a P1 I can assure you there is no similarity that I experienced the P1 drives feels and behaves differently.

Now I'm not here to talk ring times or compare the 3 cars as I know for sure anyone who bought one of the 3 he/she won't be disappointed.

But trust me when I say people at McLaren are down to earth people they not just passionate they actually real nice people.

I have no gains saying this nor I'm connected to McLaren I'm being honest and telling it as it is.

Again it's an open market so Ferrari,McLaren or Porsche etc won't disappoint anyone.

But I personally prefer Ferrari and McLaren over Porsche.

And if one day you decided to go back to McLaren please pm me.

Mbn

 

I would be very interested in a street legal car that would capture the essence of the f1.

I will assume that you have not driven the p1. Drive the car, and then you might understand that it is as much as a 12c as a 996 carrera is to a 997 gt2 rs.

The only thing the p1 owners are defensive about is the truth. Initially i had my eyes set on the 918. I test drove the car and had one ordered soon after. I test drove the p1 after the 918, and when i found one i did not hesitate to get it.

I did not go to the factory, i cannot comment on your experience. To me though, the p1 is a great successor to the f1. They have managed to tune the electronics to work not just as a drivers aid but to add to the driving pleasure. Driving experience is the key word here and the p1 offers much more than the porsche.

I am not defending the brand, as i don't find it rationial to develop an emotional attachment to a particular marque just because you own the car. The product is what matters and the p1 is one hell of a fun product.

 

That's incorrect. 4WD is a setback on a smooth, dry track. 4WD F1 cars proved that.

 

All that remain to be proven really.

 

Well W., Whistleblower, check out below the reaction of a P1 customer who says the P1 is a completely different animal compared to his 12C. It kind of puts to bed the theory that a P1 is a souped up 12C. I would put my money on the souped up 12C / 650S, which would be a 458 Speciale competitor, not even being on the market in the future. Seems to me that your local Vancouver dealer is beating a dead horse with you. I&#8217;ve never heard about a car company not wanting a new customer except for Ferrari. But at close to 10,000 units a year in the near future, I&#8217;ve now got the ghost of my ex-butler asking for one... ; )

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDxXnuZCDA]36 Hours Later - McLaren P1? at Pure McLaren track day - YouTube[/ame]

Interesting demographical study here MM. The elderly gentleman driving the LaFerrari at a leisurely pace down the straight at Knutstorp as the P1 glides past, after just taking delivery of his beautiful new Italian Stallion, seems to heavily contrast with the type of customer the P1 has been attracting. I&#8217;ve dug into the statistics of both types of owners and the P1 owner seems more of a real car guy whereas the LaFerrari owners are, in the majority, more interested in adding more Ferraris to their collection. Not a bad thing of course but it pains me to think that a huge bundle of cash spent on a race horse to keep it stabled or for gentle walks around Monaco&#8217;s parks, plazas and hills is a pity. I hope to see more being rung out and having their true potential reached. Check out this P1 customer who can&#8217;t wait to rape his P1...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDxXnuZCDA]36 Hours Later - McLaren P1? at Pure McLaren track day - YouTube[/ame]