Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The number you picked for your car is the unique car number, it has nothing to do with the production number total. The car # 770, 780 being mentioned is the production number which is the cumulative production run number.

As of right now, the total number of ordered cars is well above 800 as the scheduling for production is now for February.

 

Yup, let's do a tally, and just to be fair, let's only count paid owners as they have voted with their check book, most credible kind of vote.

Let's see, 800+ vs 399 vs 375. Hmm, I guess the 918 wins by a landslide then.

Case closed. Next.

 

While Erik and I have different opinions on cars, I believe he is not paid off. He is THE BIBLE to go to for McLaren F1, I think he might know more about the cars than even McLaren themselves, especially the movement of ownerships. With that credential, it's only fitting that McLaren invite him to attend the P1's launch.

On the other hand, his McLaren info will be from the factory direct, it is whatever Woking fed to him, there is no reason for him to doubt those and hence he is convinced what is told must be true.

While I admit I am also fed some Porsche info from directly from factory and they have wine and dine and flew me everywhere, I do not blindly digest whatever comes my way, I don't toe their company line and will criticize Porsche if warranted. In fact, even with my factory connection, I am still going to clean house and migrate to Ferrari ownership, only keeping the 918 as my only Porsche. After the 918, my next 2 cars already ordered are Ferraris, I have seen the McLaren pipeline for the next year and I have seen the Porsche pipeline for the next 2 and nothing there interest me. Maybe the GT3RS, I will have the 1st one in town but I may not even take delivery.

 

13 mns to say nothing new.

 

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Not defending Erick as I never met the guy or know him personally.

But he is a McLaren enthusiast and i respect his knowledge and I'm sure McLaren too and after my visit to woking I can clearly say McLean respect their enthusiast and customers to a great level I never seen before.

If they offered to fly him that's to show him the respect he deserves.

I see nothing wrong with that trying to make him a guy paid by McLaren to spread falls informations or marketing is so funny and I'm sure who is saying that never dealt directly with McLaren.

I was invited by Ferrari few times before I owned any does this mean i have to say good things about Ferrari? They doesn't need to prove anything they already got the hartige and great cars to prove it so does McLaren and Porsche.

I just see few Porsche extremist not enthusiast spoiling this thread.


Mbn

 

The best part about this is that you actually think they care.

They'll sell all their cars and that's all that matters.

Everything else only matters to sad little men and their dick swinging contests on the internet.

 

Standard Veyron so 1001ps.

Not surprising that the LaF was ahead, similar power but a lot lighter.

Would be closer with a Veyron SS of course, perhaps the other way around.

Seriously quick from both cars either way, love the VMAX events for stuff like this.

 

Not a chance and none of them will ever do that time on street legal road tyres.

If McLaren P1 did the rumored 6:30's that would be unbelievable engineering feet and no company would be stupid enough to hide such achievement.


Btw.

Zonda R
750hp / 1150kg /slicks
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+1 I have met Erik many times, and he is a very nice young man with an incredible knowledge when I met him of our favorite car the F1. The fact that he hangs out here when a bunch of People Criticize him and he takes it in a good natured way, speaks volumes.

 

Cause Erik is genuinely passionate about Mclaren, he is a rare breed.

 

He's getting a taste of his own medicine from attacking people criticising McLaren. He ain't no Saint and nobody forces him to post here.

 

You can't be homerish, you haven't seen what's on McLaren Life, it's just a circle jerk, everyone gets off on boosting McLaren, Ferrari Chat is better than that, isn't it?

 

I don't dare looking at mclarenlife. It must look like an experiment of giving the most boring people on earth infinite time and keyboards to see if they eventually came up with something interesting.

 

You guys are too serious. Erik's kosher despite his over enthusiasm with all things Mac. It's the smug and insultive trolls (like the P1 owner that was recently banned) that really annoy me.

 

This thread is getting more strange by the day. Six minutes thirty seconds? 12C GT3? Paid trips? Interesting stuff.

Thanks for posting something back to front. Nice grab. Those of us who had our ear to the ground already knew this. Porsche 918 was ~1.5 seconds quicker at Anglesey, and in Spain, Top Gear was ~0.7 sec quicker in 918 vs P1. Who told me? Don't ask. But I will say, they, the 3 dudes were/are not the only ones who chatted with folks associated with EVO and TG.

 

Errrr...yeah, Rupert was spamming multiple threads with his holier than thou, I-am-owner-you-are-puny, centric ramblings. Insulting and slamming quite a few peeps in a very short period of time.

 

And most probably McLaren will exit the H2H battle at the TG track for SECOND time...
When this happen, want to see some comments about "no p1's in US", transportation of proto cars, etc...

 

Who knows if any more 'official' Mac authorized H2H tests will happen...

but I did hear that Motor Trend recently wanted a P1 production model, ie customer spec, to test again at their facilities for complete and in depth numbers (and also to compare with the right here right now spec 918), but alas, no dice. So for the foreseeable future, they are still 'stuck' with their impromptu validation prototype test numbers.

 

That is quite interesting, although it doesn't fit with the comments, on McLarenlife, from Ian Eveleigh (EVO staffer) that they were asked not to record the track times for either car. They could have course timed the cars and this maybe true. But considering the "insiders" that posters on here know assured us that the time would be published at least 3 weeks ago and we still haven't seen any sign of them. You'll forgive me for doubting your inside knowledge.

McLaren only have the two preproduction cars which is why they are always the ones tested. The customer spec cars are all customers cars so they'd have to get a P1 owner to agree to it, why don't Motor Trend ask an owner? After all a P1 owner stepped up to the Huarya challenge from Kris Singh - have any 918 or LaFe owners taken it up yet? (serious question). So P1 drivers will do these things.

 

I missed this post. I also touched on this. MT wanted a 'as of now' P1 vs 'as of now' 918 to compare in the feature but was turned down by Mac. MT also wanted to test P1 at their facilities. A Weissach car wasn't available, so Porsche sent the Dark blue metallic 'standard' car...not a big deal (this spec is now my favorite for 918, but with silver magnesium's of Weissach instead of those standard 'fan' wheels. Blue ext with black interior, silver piping, just classy and technical). 918 Spyder is simply a performance beast, and Randy apparently thinks it's also a fantastic 'driver's car' too. So, my 'updated spec' (nudge, wink) fantasy garage is now:

Silver with gunmetal wheels, P1 GTR
Dark blue metallic, Weissach 918 RS
Grigio Titanio, LaF XX

It's my fantasy, so I drive them on the street as I please. Most of my lotto winnings gone just like that

 

Forgiveness is not necessary, neither is smugness. Politeness on 'Maclife' via partial truth. That's funny. If you're holding out for the chance 918 not being quicker in EVO and TG test, then you'll surely be hurt. It fits fine, They may have been 'asked' to not 'officially' record the times (ie PRINT). BUT THEY DID record the times. In the article they simply alluded for track portion"...it doesn't outmaneuver the Porsche". THEY TIMED THE CARS. Dude, seriously, you really think EVO rang them out at Anglesey just for kicks, where they had zero interest in finding out how fast each could lap their own 'home' track? "They could have course timed them, and this may be true'. MAY BE true? You have that much doubt and denial? Seriously? No, Not 'may be'...they TIMED THE CARS. 918 surprised them by how much quicker it was on track (no surprise on the Triangle), and P1 surprised them by how much it suffered over the curbs (though not as much surprise as P1 not being any quicker over the 'downforce' sections...err, it wasn't quicker in any section actually). As for release of times, was there ever a hard date? Could entities change their minds? Could timing be aligned or re-aligned for various other reasons/releases? As for MT resorting to begging customers. It's not that simple. MT (and every rag) request cars from manufacturers. But please do forgive ME for chomping on your 'doubting me'. Puhlease. Since when does 'being asked not to record lap times' equate to 'no lap times were recorded,period'? How did they know that P1 didn't 'outmaneuver' 918 on track? Because they timed them and actually found out that 918 easily outmaneuvered P1. The denial is still going strong. Eeeesh.

 

After all the bashing and in the light of recent finds, McLaren's pr department wasn't that bad afterall. Until the car sold out, they actually made up pretty good stuff and cover ups to fill the void between Ron D's idiotic claims and market targets, and the little effort that was put on the car.

 

As I recall when the Enzo was tested on Top Gear (well at least the time I remember) it was loaned by Nick Mason. Indeed the best sort of cars are strictly standard production with no modifications. That way there are no trick tires, better engine specs, strange electronic upgrades etc. And its entirely fair. No matter what happens sooner or later the ultimately match up between the big 3 will happen. Top Gear, Evo, Road & Track or some publication will be able to strong arm the manufacturers or will simply get owners to donate. Top Gear may well be waiting for all cars to be sold, built or delivered. Then it will be immaterial..............

The ultimate test should also include Pagani and a Veyron SS for counterpoints/ reference points and perhaps even get a SCG01 from Jim to throw the cat amongst the pigeons?

And just to stir things a little, an interesting sign will be if McLaren rushes the P1GTR into production or simply releases a NR laptime set by such and tries to claim some form of vainglory based on its achievements? Look the P1GTR, on slicks with allsorts of improvements really can do 6:30 at NR....... For some context Stefan Bellof in a Porsche 956 with ground effects and slicks and managed a lap of the NR in 6.11 in what was a very basic car with big big big turbos and so long as no one ever beats that lap, which is up there with Sennas lap at Monaco ...... On that note and now getting way off track anyone interested should read the report of that event back in 1983 because Stefan wrote off that car in the race, now their was a man that could drive FAST.....

 

Actually interestingly, should James G. lend one of his cars to Top Gear? That could be the biggest publicity stunt possible or the biggest backfire, vedi tesla and zenvo