Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Or because the car is track oriented and has grippier tires. Turbo S has rear wheel steering and about 100 HP more, yet it's still slower than the GT3 on most tracks.

 

GT3 rear wheel steering is different from turbo s rear wheel steering.

 

Loving the 991 GT3, hope to sample it sometime. 996 GT3 remains my fave car driven so far, but of course I haven't had the privilege of driving very many super sports. 991 GT3 RS with 525+hp will be sensational (500hp 'claimed').

918 fire: I watched the security video from the gas station several times. That must have been A LOT of overflow petrol. Then the 'genius' squeegee usage. That's what did it. And yes, it ignited in the wheel area. Nothing to do with 'design flaw', or dangerous top exhaust, etc. Such a silly silly way to destroy a work of art. But at least no one was hurt. Hey Driftwith, don't spill a butt load of petrol, and stay away from squeegee's!!!

 

But this thread is about the P1, 918, and LaFerrari. Not the 650 S, GT3, Turbo S, etc.. The Pagani La Monza Lisa apparently hit 188 MPH on the back straight at Monticello Motor Club today - if so, it may be faster than people suspected. Looking forward to seeing it go head to head with the P1 soon.

 

650 GTR will be a street legal update yes? and not track only edition?

 

Not sure why everyone talks about the big hp/tq advantage of the 650S rather than the tires and track oriented set-up of the GT3. The GT3 is not a 475hp C2S.

Power has rarely been the deciding factor on a track. A 458C is 4s faster around Fiorano than a 1000hp, hybrid LF.

650S bested Porsche's best track oriented car as of today, and it did it with a roof that comes down, on Corsas, and in the normal version of the car. Will the GT3 RS be quicker yet? Yeah, probably a little, but how about compare it to the track oriented version of the 650S GTwhatever rather than a normal Spider?

 

I was there. It is VERY fast and VERY beautiful. Just fantastic in the carbon. The engine is still being broken in so there is more boost to add. Incredible car.

 

Absolutely. We are going to make her fully functioning. I plan to drive her to Villa d'Este in 2016.

 

The 458c is faster around Fiorano?? Source? Or did I miss the joke lol.

Anyway, I believe you are correct about the GT3's all wheel steering feature. There is nothing to be taken away from the 650s's ability to best the Porsche. I am not and will never be a fan of Porsche's decision to use all wheel steering to gain extra performance. My thing is, if the aids added to the vehicle make it faster but also decreases the pure driving feel, then I don't think it is the way to go. That sort of tech belongs on a car that is designed to be luxurious first but still have some fun to, like the Veyron for example. The 650s is no track car but the direction that Mclaren took allows the 650s to still respond the the natural behavior you would expect from a rear engine super car. If I could, I would choose the 650s because I can have my cake and eat it too lol

 

here's a link to see the video I mentioned earlier. it does look like wheel is where it ignited...but yet to be confirmed if faulty nozzle or user caused the major overflow. lots of petrol + squeegee = ouch. nutso waste of an amazing machine.

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Dude, 458 Challenge 1:16.5sec LaF 1:20sec, What's the joke?

Porsche Active steer decreases pure driving feel? folks don't seem to think so, and love GT3 and 918 dynamics.

 

Yep, street legal. They're currently only night testing.

 

So he ****ed up. oh well.

 

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From the surface, looks like Porsche is off the hook, it's either the gas station's fault or Wekerle's.

My guess is the gas station fail to maintain their equipment in proper working order. But then again if the main tank is low, the pump can't maintain a high rate of flow for the fuel gun, the fuel would trickle out and not enough pressure generated to trip the stop flow.

I had that happened to me in the 12C one time, was at Chevron for 94 octane gas, but the owner/operator went cheap and didn't buy new stock for the 94 tank, only for the 87 and 91 tank. So while the other grades flows fine, the 94 is just trickling out, and I wasn't looking at the pump cause I was busy answering question about the 12C to the person across so I didn't realize it had already over filled and gasoline as pouring out all over the ground. Must have had about 20-30 litres spilled as my final tally was for 90 litres and my tank wasn't THAT empty.

 

Way quicker. The gap between a 458C and LF is bigger than the gap between an LF and a 458S. I believe I just watched an Auto Express video where they were testing a 458C at Fiorano and mentioned it's 7 or 8 seconds, I forget which, faster than the Speciale.

458C - 1:16
LF - 1:20
458S - 1:23.5

Now, the 458C is on slicks of course and the LF is not, but it goes to show you that power isn't everything. 400-500hp hybrid set-up with active aero and all the cutting edge tech wasn't even worth half the time of a true race car set-up. A 991 GT3 is far from a race car of course, but it goes to show that tires and track-oriented set-up on a GT3 can more than make up for the power difference. The 650S hp and tq advantage seems like a lot on paper, but most only comes into play in big straights. I don't know what the track looks like off-hand, but at 1:06s I'm inclined to believe it's not a track that really favors all that excess power.

Both cars are impressive in that they accomplish the same things different ways. I personally think the 650S is a bit more impressive considering it can do what the GT3 can do and then some, but that's just my opinion.

 

Did you meant to say the 650R?

 

Yep, but no one has confirmed the final name for me yet, so I'm just going by "650S GTR". 650R makes more sense, but then again, it will have more than 650 PS. So who knows.

Will you be getting one, Whoopsy?

 

Reports suggest Wekerle overfilled the gas tank and the vehicle, which was presumably on, caught fire.

 

It is clear to me the fire cause was from the owner mistakes, I am very familiar with 918
It is because one of my close friends is a 918 Weissach owner (in Middle East) the quality is superb and till now he defeated 3 P1s at Yas Marina and Bahrain Circuits and even more interesting is when you know one of the P1's owners is a very professional race driver and at the time he is during to sell his P1 via a famous dealer in Dubai and instead he is during to purchase a 918!, for me it is very laughable when I read some childish posts here, I want to inform you that the 918 can defeat P1 every day and every where, Also as a person with driving experiences with both 918 and P1, in my own experiences 918 was far beyond P1 in any terms, 918 is far more pure driving experience, far better engine sound(Just wow
can't explain that sound at +9000RPM) and far better in term of quality,
All in all I want to say in my eyes the McLaren/Nissan P1 must be a 400K-500K$ super car, but the 918 real price must be 2x its current price(in my opinion)

 

You should get out more. I put him on 'ignore' and would never use the word "professional" about his posts.

I enjoy life quite a bit more, since he is on 'ignore.'

 

yes, that is also what they are looking at. most of initial flame up rushed out of the rear wheel well as that is probably where most of the fuel went down.

 

but it's very entertaining at times, fun, as he posts some amazing (read: bizarre) stuff now and then.

 

any ideas about the specs yet? how about the 'very probable' P1 refresh. Possibly another 50hp? I heard there might be revised chassis tuning and increase in power. Seems very likely.