Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

We got lucky with this one.

 

It will be nothing less than totally EPIC if you pull that off.

Will you be at Le Mans 2015?

 

Two car team, maybe three car team at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring in 2015.

Hopefully Le Mans and many other Endurance races in 2016.

 

We have to add Lambo to this thread.

The Lamborghini Asterion LPI 910-4 Is A 910 Horsepower Hybrid

 

Very interesting, they have targeted a completely different market with this car

 

They have.

I like it.

 

He has, and I've posted the link to the tweet. But there are no numbers for the testing and those are want I'd like to see.

My point about them preferring the P1 was that according Scuds insiders the P1 is just rubbish on track, but EVO still thought the P1 was better (in that environment). So what does that mean for the 918 - its not as good as a pos P1.

 

The same stands true for dozens of real race tracks around the world.

 

Hmm, not sure I follow. Now you say faster is not better, that's not what Ron Dennis said. He said the P1 will be the best and fastest on any track. The whole world is holding Ron accountable for his words. In this case, I think while Ron promised the Moon, but what people got was a moon cake shaped like a Moon.

I believe what EVEO means when they say the prefer the P1 on the track is that while it's the slower car, it gives better feeling of speed. But feeling of speed is not the same as faster.

 

Surprised about this as documents had to be signed upon taking delivery of the car saying you would not put it on a dyno I'm pretty sure... Probably for that reason.

 

LAF can charge from engine generator and electric motor at transmission,so it can charge no matter how you drive car

 

See thread below. 60-130 very much faster in P1 and LaF. That's a critical range for street and most US tracks. Owners say P1 and LaF feel about the same. 918 feels slower. Agreed we need to get all three together. That may be a while.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari/255868-acceleration-f40-f50-enzo-cgt-veyron-41.html

No different than Enzo vs CGT and 959 vs F40. Agreed Porsche is on the leading edge and Ferrari on the bleeding edge. Always has been.

 

German horses are bigger ? Lol
Seriously , I think it may be the over boost function I mentioned few months back .

 

Stop the world spinning on its axis please , something was written on a thread on a forum !
The end

 

Yep. You told us a while back regarding the updates, and the Porsche dealer network guys locally told me the same thing when we chatted some months ago. at 15% driveline loss, it puts it right around 960hp. at 20% loss, we're looking at 1020hp. Really, it's somewhere in-between. Layman's terms: it's A LOT. Upcoming 991 GT3 RS will probably dish more than 540hp, with 'only' 500hp being official claim. All previous GT3's have been nicely underrated. After the recent recall, Porsche put in engines punching waaay above the claim of 475hp. Porsche uses 'in less than ideal conditions' as their number, when in reality owners would definitely see more. Ferrari seems to like to use numbers that fit in the 'under optimal conditions' approach, as confirmed by many dyno'd cars not near the factory claims.

 

Whoa. Have to say, that's a pretty hybrid Lambo...T

 

I don't even know where to begin... issues there, the analyses.

 

I haven't checked this thread in a while so if this has already been covered I apologize:

On another forum someone was saying that the P1's lap time around the Ring was 6:47 on street tires. Can anyone confirm this or is it still a "secret"?

 

That time came from me and it was bs , long story covered elsewhere.

 

That's what I was thinking. The front power unit has little to no loss. I'm guessing the real number is where Doom and I had surmised months ago. 920-950hp with the overboost.

 

You're Callsign_Vega on Corvette Forum?

Also, do we know what the real time is? There can't be any reason to hide it anymore, can there?

 

interesting^

 

P1 is still dream car to me. Awesome machine. But the BS surrounding it is nutso. Yes, the goal posts have been moved by cultists, discussion has shifted elsewhere. P1 was conceived and built based on specs, numbers, with 'standing on top of the mountain' proclamation that it will be fastest, best driving car...possibly ever. The best machine on the drive to the track, the best on the track, and then you can drive it home as the bestest. The truly die hard are still refusing to accept the objective results. Still hanging on to 'no proof' despite admission by EVO and TG. Unable to read between the lines. Knowledge is there with many folks. This proof in print will come, but apparently not soon enough for them. Still desperate for explanations that will explain away how 918 comfortably outperforms it. Now reframing the arguments, discussions. 918 simply goes faster (zero lag or slack of any kind in the drivetrain, whereas P1 still has noticeable lag despite spin by their Chief), stops faster, grips harder (no debate which has superior mechanical grip) along with more stable, highly adjustable, better steering, better noise while in the process of outrunning P1. Not just power but the 'quality' of the power surpasses P1 also. Sensational V8 and gearbox. It merely gives ground to P1 in the 'theatrics'...whoosesh, bangs, pops, hisses...in a more cocooned interior heightening the experience, and being 200lbs lighter affecting feeling of agility. Thus EVO prefers P1 considering pure track aspect. Completely logical and understandable. But in NO WAY do they say that 918 is lacking in performance, or not agile, or that it is dull, sterile, and not fun. For track, in the 'subjective' meter, P1 is 10 and 918 a 9. They even admit in the article that 918 is faster...they do so in a coded, sideways delivery. Still there are those equating its dynamics and enjoyment merely a spinoff of GTR or Veyron. Cultists now playing games with semantics, using partial truths as de facto point of references. Silly.

 

There is a reason, but the 5 dudes, besides Mac itself, that know the real time (cough, cough, 6:37), won't provide the rest of us with anything to analyze, scrutinize.

 

Yes. Amazing how facts and experience from owners, designers, testers and engineers are ignored.

Lots of words here saying very little.

People own these cars for reasons that are not being discussed here. Maybe because there are few if any owners here.