Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Best drivers' car? LOL
Fanboy, tell me about "secret N'Ring" video

 

Best drivers' car is miles away from anything, which costs over a million, but Mclaren PR depp also needs salary...

 

KERS recovering otherwise lost heat energy into usable HP remains different than turning petrol into HP.

Minor point about exhaust note. Turbos turn otherwise lost sound energy into HP and that does effect the noise engines make but with engineering a nice sound can still be had. We've tuned the exhaust of our TTV6 in 003 to make a very nice exhaust note. It can be done.
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Well done, but sadly no other people are going to have the pleasure of owning it to truly judge what it's capable of.

 

A Caterham 620R is one of the best drivers' cars, but I doubt you would want to drive one on daily basis for example.

 

"Lost sound energy"? You mean exhaust heat because lost sound energy wouldn't turn a lamp on.

So you're saying that a recovery system will pick the vibrations from the sound waves of the exhaust to transform it to kinetic energy... to power the car?

 

Every hybrid does that. "The excess torque charges the batteries", as Ferrari put it. Thing is that the P1 can rely only on its internal combustion engine to top up the batteries. As for the LaFerrari's brake feel, only 1-2 journos complained about very low speed (i.e. start-stop traffic) ambiguity.

 

OK! When can I do that?

 

We're now a manufacturer and so far have sold four cars with several more in active discussion. It's possible that after our Geneva unveiling we may sell a few more. It looks like we'll have a three car team at The Ring in 2015. We very well may add a KERS option (F1 type) to our TT 12 road version and TTV6 race version.

Cheers

 

C'mon it's the same tech as F1, only Mclaren couldn't find a solution to the brake feel problem so opted out. Genius goes to Ferrari as they get full-monty brake regen while retaining great brake feel. A lot of people are confused about what regenerative braking is, including hybrid car owners it seems. Google it ffs. It has nothing to do with the brake pedal and the disc brakes. Regenerative braking happens only in the MGU.

 

To spool the turbos...

 

If you buy one of our new ones and want us to add our KERS system we can add it for you for about the cost of 60 Ferrari cup holders...

 

There you go - it's called KERS which works thru regenerative braking. So P1 does have brake regen (shame if didn't) except it switches off when the brake pedal is pressed to avoid "complicating" the brake feel.

 

Actually he is right or just say McLaren listiend to few potential customers and built what they asked for.

My P1 does exactly what I wanted it to be and feel, after driving few others exotics Including customer spec 918 WP.

Not saying 918 a bad choice it's just not what i want and I'm sure sames goes to 918 owners and so on.

The Laferrari my other pick so far and I know they will never realse N'Ring time nor I care.

If I'm into so called rings times and track focused enjoyment i will just buy a 458C a 650S Sprint, Viper GT3-R or even a Laferrari XX/ P1 GTR.

Just saw the P1 GTR program preview at woking and I can't describe how fantastic it is...some testing pictures will be out very soon look out for it.


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How can you say that when literally everyone has complained from 918's brake feel and some thought it was unnatural at low speeds in the LaFerrari?

Okay, that makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying!

 

P1 does have KERS. It does not have any sort of regeneration attached to the brakes. It does not disengage upon hitting the brakes. Energy is harvested at the E-motor attached to the crank, which can then add the power back to the crank and also serves as the starter.

 

How will you FEEL, when your beloved P1 stops 5 (FIVE) meters later than 918 in a complicated road situation?
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Peloton said "There is no such thing as uncompromised design or engineering. Every decision introduces them". He is right too.

Ferrari and Porsche chose higher efficiency kinetic energy recovery over perfect brake feel. Mclaren chose the opposite and easier route.

The Porsche has a much larger capacity KERS compared to the LaF and that's the reason the 918 brake feel is more compromised. Also compare this year's F1 car (with larger KERS) with previous years (much smaller KERS). Braking wasn't an issue before but it was a big issue with the drivers at the start of this season (although it appears to have been resolved now).

 

It must feel great hitting 2.15g through the corners!

 

Yeah holy moly, is that a typo? Drivers are going to have to start wearing pressurized suits and doing neck exercises before they drive these things...

 

I agree with you, although no one has complained from the P1 running out of electric power and being left alone with 727 hp. So adopting brake-regen wasn't really necessary in P1's case.

 

They chose the driver & performance-focused route, vs the eco green mpge equivalency route.

 

They chose the only route they could choose, the cheap way out plus a couple of useless gimmicky buttons on the steering wheel. Those alone must be worth 1 million by themselves, right? They even had to change the name of one from KERS to APOS or something because it would have been misleading otherwise

 

I am not sure what you are on about... Goodwin said he used the DRS quite extensively over his lap of the ring. Also kers is the recovery system, not specifically the power delivery system so I am not sure what you are trying to convey?

 

If peloton said it it must be true then

This year's f1 had the brake by wire introduced which took some time to calibrate for the bias front/rear to work while last year the driver could adjust it himself, the system is completely different from the 918 and Laferrari.