Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

No need to back anything with press releases

I have driven both, again p1 offers 903 HP in all modes, except in electric OBVIOUSLY and boost.

918 felt different between race and hl. A big difference actually. So I can say with full confidence that 918 will give you its max performance in hl mode.

You might want to go back and do some research.

 

What McLaren uses is the coast down charging, which every single other hybrid also uses.

Strictly speaking it is a form of KERS, but not in spirit.

 

That's pretty awesome! I got a look at your package under NDA and, while it's too high for my budget, it looks fantastic. Congrats on your progress thus far! I'll be cheering you on from afar!

 

Thanks!

 

You are the only one who claimed 903 in ALL modes, you didn't made the distinction that the e-mode doesn't have 903 nor in boost mode. I never said 918 has 887 in all modes.

And again, P1 doesn't have a HP meter, you would have no idea whether the car is giving you all 903 or not, you only based your claim from the assumption that it would, and the fact that McLaren said the car will have a maximum of 903 combined. At high rpm with the foot down to the floor yes that scenario will have all 903 available. But the P1 doesn't engage the e-motor all the time, it's primary function is to mask turbo lag, 'torque-fill' in McLaren speak.

Remember the IPAS button works in all mode, if the e-motor is already running full time, where is the extra kick coming from? Act of God?

McLaren never publicly state how it's hybrid system works, just like they never disclosed their Ring time.

 

WHOA WHOA HOLD ON, BOTH OF YOU are forgetting that the McLaren doesn't offer 903 horsepower in either "PARK" mode or "OFF" mode. Gosh, y'all need to stick to the facts.

 

The IPAS will ONLY work with boost button on. Other than that the boost is automatically managed by the ecu to give you full power in all modes except emode offcourse. It is not only used to fill in the lag. It also used as a power adder.

With boost mode on, In a high gear low rpm run. If u Pin the throttle, wait for a moment then press ipas you will get a kick similar to a 200 nos shot. Iv had a few passengers with me that describe it the same way. If TC is off you might even go a little sideways.

In all other modes the car feels like a 900 HP supercharged dragster, with the emotor seamlessly filling in the lag while adding power after the turbos kick in.

 

You are incorrect. You have to be in "boost" mode in order to employ IPAS.

Edit, drift appears to have beaten me to the punch.

 

Why do you keep saying that? As far as I can recall the P1 has three modes: 1. E-mode (electric only), 2. Boost mode (gas engine only with IPAS when you press the button but only when you press the button close to, or at, full throttle), 3. Hybrid mode (if battery is charged enough you get full e-motor and full gas motor), 4. Fast charge mode (gas only, extra power produced by the gas engine is used to quickly charge the battery).

So there are 4 modes and only one of them truly has the full combination of gas and electric (i.e. 903 HP) available. Even then if the battery is severely depleted it operates more like fast charge mode.

So why are you saying that it offers 903 HP in all modes except one when, from what I can tell, it actually only actually offers it in one of the four modes.

I actually think it's really cool that P1 and 918 let you play around with different modes. I really enjoyed driving them in e-mode.

Here's a fun anecdote: one of the P1s ran out of gas while I was on track at Spa last Wednesday for a McLaren driving event. I think the driver figured the car would automatically switch to e-mode so he could run the tank empty on the track and them get to the petrol station on electric. But if you didn't stick it in e-mode before you ran dry the car would stall like a normal car running out of petrol. Or, you could stop before running dry and restart the car in e-mode. But he didn't know how to restart the car in e-mode so they red flagged everyone, someone went out to show him how to do it and he drove it to the petrol station on e-mode.

I think it's kind of cool to have that extra reserve of power from the battery. Sometimes when it's dark and cold and I'm coming home on an empty tank I don't want to stop at the gas station. I just want to go home and then fill the car up until the morning. With the P1 I come home on electric, charge it overnight, fill up in the morning and be one my. I think that's kind of cool.

It's too bad Ferrari doesn't allow their car to run in electric-only mode. I think it's a really cool feature of the 918 and P1 - especially the 918 which has nearly 3x the range of the P1 on battery only and better battery-only performance.

 

The kindness of this conclusion only reveals an inability or unwillingness to say, "This one is better than this one."

We live in a world where everyone wins. It's pathetic.

 

You forgot reverse mode lol

Leave the charge and electric modes aside, in normal, sport ,track and race the car will have 903.

 

So basically ipas button and hot lap mode do the same thing only one for few seconds, the other for a full lap. Well done Porsche!

 

Not really, mclaren is on full power all the time without ipas, Porsche needs hl mode to be in full power and depletes the batteries.

P1 is more consistent for most of the time so well done Mclaren.

 

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This is FAST!
La Ferrari - 213MPH
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Why do you even bother with those 2? Let them believe the P1 has 903 everywhere and be done with it. There are still people who believe the Earth is flat and the Sun and everything else rotates around the Earth.

You forgot the other convenient part about the P1 and 918's e-mode, you can run silently around your neighbourhood, you can go for a nice 4am morning drive without waking up all your neighbours.

Ferrari had designed the LaFerrari to be a mild hybrid, not a full hybrid, with a tiny battery at 2.3kWh. It's more of a power adder for the top end and it mostly run on it's V12. Since the electric power is not used 100% of the time, that little battery is good enough.

btw you got pm.

 

Very I mean very interesting debate going on good thing is I'm reading McLaren replay yet keep going with this to 1000 post

It's all fun.

God some really so keen to prove a point of no point when laferrari and P1 and 918 owners enjoying their cars now.

Can't divre my P1 this days im so busy at work but I'm enjoying driving the 458 Speciale daily so much...point is any car you choose yours to enjoy no need to prove anything to anyone.

Mbn

 

Sorry to disappoint you but it does

 

Oh, I see what you're saying but I don't consider those "modes". None of those affect power output. Those are just suspension/traction control/transmission settings - they aren't power modes for the car and don't affect power output. The 918 also has setting for traction control, transmission and suspension and they're also separate from the power modes we've been talking about.

Two of the four power modes in the P1 won't provide full power in any of these settings. And e-mode is only available with the car in "normal" settings (i.e. "active" button turned off) as well if memory serves me correctly.

 

Yeah I love that too!

 

If the neighbors could put their pups in e-mode I agree. Until then, starting the Enzo at 4 AM is very satisfying.

 

Ok, so let me rephrase this so that we are on the same page

In normal mode -hybrid- the car offers 903hp in all its settings

 

There's nothing quite like a lack of resolution.

 

It happens once every decade. I wonder how long this thread will survive