Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

this thread will probably spike in popularity and replys once a comparo with all three cars on site is done, until then itll keep meandering along as it is now. once those pressers come out itll go ballistic and eventually slow down to a couple posts every few days. itll take probably 2 years before this thing is done.


.....or the mods close it before that lol

 

agreed, there are many who think this is a battle and one of them must be win! i'm not thinking that way, just need the truth about good and bad things about thease cars.

so u think informations from the picture i mentioned are correct?
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Hello.
This thread became totally ridiculous last days and almost unable to read.Really. Crazy-minded posters to blame? ;-). Let me say - People who come here looking for bits of news about LaF, and vs ,in the first place(it is a Ferrari forum, yes, it is! :-D) may be
strangely surprised, finding themselves most of the time in the middle of german-british, almost WWII-like:-D, tank war.
Thank god, we - who are loving Ferrari cars, we show we are really passionate about CARS. Not endless (and pointless already at this of comparison) arguments.
Then you know now, why none Porsche's 918's technical upgrade, nor McLaren's further downforce increase (or maybe they'll try now decrease?;-)) will make them win with LaFerrari-s overall "package", even as it is just these days.
For me, LaLa wins in every aspect, and having in fact no real-world competition. Those two trying to best ferrari in maybe some numbers,(and I still dont think they really will) and Ferrari trying be only best of its own. That all p1s vs 918 `war` looks just kind-of ridiculous. The 1st place is only one. And we know what it means.
The LaFerrari feels like it's air moving and globe under the feet turning :-D,even if it is standstill.

Thanks guys,
cheers.

 

Disagree. Nothing eco and green about LaF implementation. It's all for performance. The more efficient the KERs, the faster you recharge the battery, the more performance the driver has on tap more of the time. Sure the P1 makes up for it by using the ICE to recharge the battery, same as LaF and 918 but sooner and more often. If P1 is into endurance racing, that's a big disadvantage in fuel consumption. Long term effect, the P1 ICE will get worn down faster than if it had a more efficient KERS.

 

Great video!

 

Yes. And it agrees with what I've heard from owners.

 

Actually a torque adder for the bottom end. That has allowed them to tune the V12 for top end power madness.

 

That's opposite to what Futch said.

The V12 by sheer displacement already has great low end. It doesn't need help, as there is no way to efficiently put down all that power with only 2 wheels.

 

I have the city bylaw enforcers at their door every week. My taxes paid for their salary, gotta get them to earn it.

 

After all the talk of Lamborghini never going hybrid, they changed their mind.

V10 from Huracan 610hp + E motor. Meet the Asterion.

I think it looks nasty-I mean boring.
Lamborghini Asterion LPI 910-4 is a 910 HP Hybrid
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Ferrari beg to differ and have said so officially. That V12 is highly strung. The electric motor on the other hand has maximum torque from 0 RPM.

 

True.

 

Kers does its best @ low/mid rpms, and V12 is optimized for high revs
http://static2.elmejorcoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Ferrari-LaFerrari-HY-KERS-1024x767.jpg

 

Laf slowest of the 3?

 

These will answer a lot of the questions that were asked recently.

http://i.imgur.com/44RUVvB.png

http://i.imgur.com/kfrcwfs.png

http://i.imgur.com/PHgCVdI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/21IBsqf.png

 

Considering it hit 207 on a shortened bruntingthorpe when p1 hit 209 on the full length straight I doubt it is slower . FYI A standard Veyron has hit 215 on bruntingthorpe straight

 

A LaFerrari recently triumped over a Veyron at the VMax event.

 

How much shorter do you reckon it (Bruntingthorpe straight) was this year?

 

I think drift got caught up on saying "mode" (as the 918 must be in the right, limited-use, mode for full power) when he really just meant to say "all the time."

Of the four modes you mentioned, two of them are clearly limited-use, non-full power modes, while the other two are what would be used for normal driving and give you full access to all power from all systems. Contrasted with the 918 in which you have to be in the right time-limited setting to extract full power. In P1, unless you are putting around in e-mode, or charging up so you can put around in e-mode, you have full power available, and there is no need to switch among certain settings.

Edit: in case you missed it, look at ANTAR's links above to see a nice illustration of available power in the P1 among all settings.

 

Thanks!!!

Nice to get official, clear information for once in this thread

 

No, look at 60-130. Can't go from 0 because LaF and P1 can't launch like 918 and the owner in the LaF video launched very soft. Laf and P1 nearly a second faster 60-130. They will clearly pull 918 in anything other than a drag race from a dead stop. And even then, LaF and P1 will eventually pass like you see in that video of Porsche Turbo racing LaF.

60-130 is a very important performance measure for US. This is the range you most often see in "spirited" driving on the street and most US tracks.

Porsche likes to advertise their 0-60 as that helps sell lesser cars like their turbo. Supercar owners know that's a meaningless #. For example, my GT-R friend though he could kill my F40 because he's nearly a second faster 0-60. When we raced from a 40 mph roll, he quickly became very small in my rearview mirror. Not even close.

 

Acceleration is all about power vs speed with weight and aero considered. It's not easy to make a graph like you see below, but graphs like this are the only way to show acceleration performance. The area under the curve is the car's acceleration performance. I believe we'll find LaF and P1 having much more area under the curve over 60.

I believe 918 will be found to be far off from LaF and P1 in aero and weight as well.

918 not bad at all for the price, but it is half price. It's the leading edge and not the bleeding (less reliable) edge.
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Mark, you 1st image clearly show that the P1 doesn't tap into the electric motor until full throttle. That clearly shows the P1 doesn't operate the hybrid system 100% of the time.

 

And that battery levels drop like a stone in no time at all

 

What point are you trying to make? Should the car be offering 100% power when you're at somewhere below 100% throttle? It sounds like you are trying to say "Aha! P1 does not offer 903 horsepower all the time unless you are at full throttle!" Your argument appears to defy logic, but perhaps I'm missing something?

Edit: I think he's just trolling, and I've been successfully trolled