Vettel out at Red Bull (official team statement)

Tru but, if I' am around I'll put the record straight, we shall have to see how it pans out.

 

Why d'ya think he's got a blue Fezza? The colour of innocence

 

Too true.

Amazing that more folks don't realize that.

 

That's the brain damage talking.

 

Of course you do. What a team player, in a team playing sport.

 

True from 2001 to 2004 all MS had to do was beat his restricted team mate. As I've said many times those years are not how you judge MS's ability but from 1996 to 2001.

No in those days McLaren made good cars.

Ditto.

I personally wished he had just had a go even if he had crashed out trying, but then the likes of you would be criticizing him for crashing ... he cannot win.

In the end Ferrari have chosen a driver that by his own admission cannot deal with his current car and as we have seen in the days of Mark Weber takes a long time to adjust to change. Yes once Vettel clicks with a car he is very fast but if that does not happen he is a mid field runner ... just like Kimi.

So we now have 2 drivers that need the car to perfectly suit them to get results. Surely that is a poor situation for Ferrari.

One thing I really respected about Alonso is he worked his butt off every race no matter what the car was like. He adapter to suit the car. Heck maybe he ultimately is not as fast as Vettel and Kimi on their day but in the end to be successful in motorsport you have to get the best possible result in EVERY race not just the ones where the car feels good.

How anybody can hate Alonso for maximizing Ferrari's results every race is beyond me, and well I think another long period of poor results is in the tifosi's future. It is all on Allison's shoulders now, not the drivers.
Pete

 

I would question why I was told to do it, and if no valid reason was given, I'd tell them to go forth, in jerky movements.

You should know me better than that by now, surely.

 

The middle of the race isn't the time for a confab.

 

Good for you.

If I'm paying someone millions, and they're part of a team of hundreds of people, I'd expect that person to do what he's told....whether he likes it or not.

The fact that they did nothing speaks volumes.

Yes, it worked out great for Lewis, but Nico was on a different strategy and once in front would have walked away. By the time Lewis stuffed around disobeying orders, Nico's tyres were past their best.

Lewis didn't have that problem when HE came out on new tyres.

Just sayin'

 

Wow! Bold move by Seb if Ferrari is the place he's going for sure. In the end, regardless of having a winning car, it's just something special in world F1 to drive for Scuderia. Funny though Alonso... Don't know if he's compensating or just the most arrogant prick on the grid... Or mayBe the most confident muther-effer on the planet (quite the interview with Alonso):


Fernando Alonso says he has engineered himself in a position to decide his own future and believes Sebastian Vettel's departure from Red Bull is a consequence of his work.

Vettel announced he would be leaving Red Bull at the end of the season on Saturday morning, with Christian Horner confirming it was to join Ferrari. With Alonso set to leave the team it was put to him that Vettel's arrival would mean he would be forced to leave, Alonso said he is not being forced in to anything and is actually the man pulling the strings.

“Let's say that I have a very unique position,” Alonso said. “Thanks to so many years and so much respected work that I did on the track, I decide where to go, what I do and when I do it. Probably some of the things that are happening are a consequence of my thinking.

“I have my mind set. I have a plan very clear. For the last two or three months I know what I want to do, everything is moving in the right direction but at the moment it's still not 100% complete. But everything's moving in the right direction. As I said, I'm the decision maker and whatever I do will have some consequences but I have the privileged position that I'm lucky right now.

“Whatever I want to do I will do in the moment that I want to do it, and I will race more or less in whatever place I want. After that the others will move their position probably. When I finally make my decision we'll see what it is.”

And having said he has spoken to a few other teams, Alonso cryptically said it should be clear to observers what he is doing but that nobody has noticed yet.

“[Teams] are curious because there are so many rumours and they call or they get in touch just to know more about your position or your possibilities for next year. As I said, I have the opportunity to do whatever I want and I will do what I think is the best thing for me and my career right now.

“It's a combination of hunger for success, I want to win, I want to become champion, want to be happy, want to have a good life… there are many things that when I put them together some months ago showed me a direction to go in. I've been following that direction with some movements, everything has been going to plan and hopefully I can tell you soon.

“The thing that you need to understand is that from the outside you see one thing but from the inside it's very different. For the last two or three months you should understand already in which direction I'm moving but you didn't get it. When I tell you you will understand: 'Right, we should have known it'.”

 

A question and a answer, would suffice, these guys are paid a lot to multi-task.

So I'll take it you think it was ok for Nico to take Lewis out the in the next race, proving a seemingly backfired point.

Also just sayin.

 

You really think that any answer other than "yes Lewis" would be accepted?

 

I'd find time for a 2 fingered salute as I passed the pits..

 

Two fingers makes it multitasking?

 

I need sleep stop mithering me zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

Sorry if it's mentioned before; but rewatching the BBC Qualy re-show Kimi said that Vettel is the driver in the paddock he gets along best with. Extra motivation for Vettel to join?

Surely they can't remain best buddies if they turn up as team mates?

 

You're confusing me with your wife.

 

LMAO ..... thats it am out..

 

As I've already explained earlier, after the race Merc confirmed it was their intention that rosberg be only let through when he got close enough but that they failed to convey that to rosberg. The team have officially came out with that position therefore anyone who says ham disobeyed team orders clearly lacks reading comprehension skills.

This point isn't debatable. Merc said it was their fault and ham didn't disobey squat

 

Disclosure: I'm not a fanboy of Lewis... I like him enough... As I do most of the drivers so don't skewer me.

Toil's right on this one. Toto did say Lewis was correct with the decision he made. Nico was a few cars back and not gaining. I don't think anyone would actually expect any driver to actually slow down for that, let alone a driver in the WDC hunt... Well except maybe Nico. It was a silly call and pretty much described as such afterward.

The drivers are not mindless robots. They'd make decisions in the car. Every top tier driver questions and sometimes goes against team orders or at least puts them off. They have a lot at stake as individuals too so I'm not surprised at some defiance now and then.

 

Of course I'm right

Moving on...

Not much has been said on kyvats promotion. Personally I think it's undeserving. Jev doesn't even get a seat next year and he was evenly marched with ricciardo (who incidentally is way up there among the best) and he's actually beating kyvat despite having more dnfs. He has 2 8ths and a 6th place and kyvat has 2 9ths.


Sometimes I don't get how they make decisions at all. Jev not even worthy of a seat yet kyvat goes to rb? Really?

 

Going with youth.

 

Kyvat 19 and jev is what 24? Hardly an old man. Same age as me

 

When the entry age is 17 24 is getting on.

Good for you that F1 isn't the real world. By any rational standard you're still a kid.

 

Redbull is trying to sell more soda cans is french gp and wantgrowth in Russian so if this kid doesn't cut it just get the next young guy . Impo Fred will set out next year and hope see how how honda and AMG seats look mid season . My question is why should honda paid big money when the cars not going to be ready to run at the sharp end . If the honda is a turkey would you want Fred in the press saying the leadership is a joke and honda don't give me the car I need to win . I said all along redbull won't sign him and it doesn't look like he has a done deal at honda if he did the media in Spain would say he does . I'm right most of time I'm the only one on this site that call ldm a Clown hack lawyer and he still came out and said he's going to be running Ferrari to the press at Monza what a Clown