Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Seriously though, a lot of regular track guys buy these cars. P1 has a steep learning curve, but the 918 is so much easier to drive than a gt3

Myself I'm nowhere as talented, but the 918 will give accessibility to its performance where id say 80% of normal 918 drivers who know their way around a track will be faster than anything else out there.

Until a fast p1 owner pops up. Then it will get interesting...

 

I gotcha (thumb up)!!

 

Can't wait to hear more of that.. I am really glad that Ferrari are keeping the V12 sound alive

 

So much speculation for nothing. There are plenty of people who have tracked their P1s. Go ask the P1 owners on ML if they've ever run out of battery power on the track. As far as I know, none have ever mentioned running out of power during a session. I believe someone was just at a McLaren track event and they posted pictures of like 8 P1s on the track.

Can it do 2 hours or a full endurance race without ever running out of batteries? No idea, but it's not very relevant either considering it's not meant for actual racing or endurance. I'm not sure any of these cars could actually complete a race whether they ran out of power or not.

 

First of all congrats on your 918. If it's my money it's the one I'd get using my brain but I admit I'd get the LaF if I used my heart rather than my brain. Still all 3 cars are awesome from a performance standpoint.

If your definition of hybrid is the ability to drive around on electric power only, then LaF is not a hybrid. Engineers will vehemently disagree with you though. For them if a car has 2 power sources (fuel and kinetic energy in this case), then it's a true hybrid. The ability to drive in e-power only like a golf car is a simple matter of implementation and Ferrari deemed the weight penalty of the large battery needed for that mode was not worth it.

I am sure P1 fans will disagree but I think their e-mode only implementation is half-arsed. I don't think the weight of that huge battery is worth a kilometer or two of silent battery running (that's the distance I saw at Goodwood). The P1 undoubtedly would have had even better acceleration, braking, and handling had they used a smaller battery and implemented hybrid like the LaF.

On your comments about LaF brakes longevity, I believe all things being equal, the LaF brakes should last longest because it is the lightest car (918 is last place here) and it has MGU engine braking like 918 (P1 has none) supplementing the brakes. Where you referring to Futch comments during his LaF track day at Silverstone? He did mention that the LaF tires were shot at Silverstone.

 

No. I feel that the 918 in lap after lap mode could run flat out for two hours and the other two couldn't based on my feeling that generally Porsche makes cars that are closer to race cars for the road and can run lap after lap whereas street Ferrari's and McLaren's are happier on the road than on the track lap after lap after lap. In racing at the Ring even McLaren race cars haven't been that durable and are often gone long before the race ends.

It will be interesting to see the race between Ben's P1 and Kris's Pagani at Somona. So far no La Ferrari will be showing up. It will be interesting to see what happens over 60 laps which is the distance Kris want's to race. I think a 918 could do 60 laps at Somona without issue. Not sure how a P1 or La Ferrari would do for 60 laps there. If my questimate is correct 60 laps at Somona is about the same as the 9 lap stint we do at the Ring on one set of tires and a tank of fuel. The longest stint without refueling or changing tires would be an interesting test.

 

That's double standard. Either use the performance under HL mode or use the performance under Race mode as your benchmark, or run for 2 hours straight in whatever combination of modes you want and take the average.

You can't hop between the modes at will just to prove your point about performance and longevity of the battery. The performance and battery longevity are clearly related to the mode you're in.

 

Sounds like an accident waiting to happen if you ask me. I predict the Pagani gets driven either way slower or crashes/spins out.

Can't believe he's willing to race a $2M road car for 60 laps as fast as he can, even though he barely has any track experience.

 

Actually, the 918's brakes will las the longest. The brakes will barely get used as the 1st 0.5g of braking will be regen, so almost like half the braking duty is done without using pads.

LaFerrari also has regen braking on the rear axle, so part of the braking duty is being taken care of by non-contact.

P1 will toast it's brakes before the other 2. 1st it's not as light as McLaren claimed to be, 2nd, 100% of it's braking comes from physical brakes.

 

60 laps at Sonoma is like over 150miles, can either of these cars even last that long on a tank of gas?

One has a gigantic thirsty engine, the other waste gasoline to produce electricity.

 

One statistic has received little attention (though I had mentioned it in this thread some months back), when the 918 underwent it's "super test" by Sportauto, HvS completed 8 consecutive laps on the 'Nordschleife' that is more than 100 miles, 77+ miles of those (i.e. 6 laps) at below 7:30 mins (only one without traffic) lap times in 'race' mode. Sub-7:30 mins lap times are hardly sauntering on this demanding track and illustrates nicely that the 918 has no issues with track duty and is in line with Mr Glickenhaus's observations.

 

well, so is there anywhere that someone choosen P1 over 918 and also bein correct? LoL

how many times i mentioned, i'm not (trying) to imposition that P1 is faster or anything?
i'm not a fan of each other either. u need to read more carefully^

then, if u have some sort of information that can prove 918 is faster than P1 then show it to us and make this clear to everyone and i'll follow u. but if u dont have such of that info's then u cant say like "that's not proper test".

this is internet, anyone can be anything(anywho) behind the screen : )

 

While there are many lucky P1 owners who have taken delivery of their cars and enjoying them on the track, their experience of the P1 on the track in terms of battery usage is not really comparable. 98% of all drivers does not drive like a professional race car driver. I had the privilege of driving a Lotus Renault car on Paul Ricard and I compared my telemetry to that of Romain Grosjean's (Lotus current F1 driver). Suffice to say, his throttle/braking application was like an on/off switch, whereas mine was more like a ladder/hill. The result from this difference in driving technique was 7secs off the pace of Romain's lap time on a 90secs track. Even on lapping days, the average good driver will not be on the throttle and braking instantly like a pro, and this creates the necessary room for P1's ICE to recharge its battery. I suspect this is why no P1 owners so far has complained about the battery running out of juice.

Having said this, when you give the P1 to drivers like Randy Pobst to drive around the track, that's when you will find out how the P1's smaller battery stack up against 918's bigger battery plus brake regen.

 

Thank you! I am very happy with my choice on the 918, but I would be equally satisfied if I had the LaFerrari as well (but I can only afford one of the two at the moment).

On the LaFerrar's braking longevity, weight has really nothing to do with it because all 3 cars are similarly weighted in real life. On LaF's owner's manual, it states a weight of 1490kg and P1 weighs around 1500kg in real life. The 918 is a bit heavier at 1640kg (with the Weissach package). LaF's weakness will be its front brakes due to lack of re-gen, which means it needs to do 100% of the physical braking at all times. (And yes, I was referring to Futch's comment of his experience at Silverstone).

Subjectively, I side with Napolis' opinion that Porsche would probably be the most durable on the track because it's a Porsche and they are designed to pounce on the track lap after lap. But this is only my personal opinion.

 

2 videos on the McLaren P1 FB page show it accelerating from 0-330 kph, with two passengers. It took about 4s to reach 100 kph due to a bad start, but if you stitch both videos together, you'll notice that it does 0-300 in ~17-18s. Not bad, eh?

 

To save him the trouble of a reply, it doesn't fit with his narrative so it should be instantly disregarded.

>8^)
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60 laps? Wow how are they going to do it, seriously! 15 laps would be more ideal, but 60... Yikes!

 

The 150 kg difference between LaF and 918 - that's 330-lbs, is not insignificant. That's a couple of dudes riding shotgun - certainly enough to make the 918 brakes work harder.

I do agree that for braking performance, the weight disadvantage is largely mitigated because the 918 has an MGU located in front where most of the braking happens. But I wouldn't call the lack of MGU at the front a weakness. Most racing cars have no MGU's at all and they do just fine on their brakes.

 

Not sure, about the LaFerrari, but from what we're hearing, it doesn't look like it has the strongest brakes of the three. Porsche, we all know that their brakes are of the best in the industry, but you're really underestimating P1's brakes. They dissipate heat more effectively, can absorb 50 per cent more energy through the contact patch between the disc and the pad compared to the ones on the 12C and the disc temperature can withstand over 800°C.

P1 weighs just as much as what McLaren have claimed. You have things mixed up, buddy.

 

^racing brakes have nothing to do with street ones.

 

Mark, you know, I have to hand it to you for reading McLaren's press releases as THE BIBLE.

There are 2 parts to brake longevity, one is energy absorption and dissipation, the 2nd part is physical wear.

I have more to say and reply, but this ".................................................................." seems like the perfect reply to flat earthers, whatever we say sounds like that anyway.

 

Thank you for this valuable piece of information. But I didn't mention anything about racing brakes in my post.

Also, the fact that P1 GTR uses the same brakes as its road going variant goes to show how brilliant those brakes are. ;-)

 

Jeez man relax. Here is some good reading, and it is a typical 'proper' test.

The 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder Is the Quickest Road Car in the World ? Feature ? Car and Driver

Performance Data and Complete Specs

 

There were more than a few people that believed, without a doubt, that 918 would be able to run no more than 2 or 3 laps without needing to 'cool down' or else it would break. Porsche ran 7-10sec slower than record lap 6:57 in 'Race' setting, consecutive laps.

 

For all parties involved, I think it best if you cancel your 918 order. You are clearly not very enthused and you won't have to live with something that you also clearly need to get to know better. You won't have to continue marginalizing one baby (in fact, presenting her as 'inferior' on many occasions), while the other one (P1) continues to receive all your love and 'no faults, you are perfect in every way' praise. Your two children will need serious psychiatric help if this continues.