Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

So presenting a fact about a 918 places it as inferior.

Does the truth hurt or something I don't get it.

I have mentioned this a lot, I think the 918 is an amazing car, I just prefer the p1.

Out of 10 id rate both highly in the 9's.

 

Just noticed that you were replying to another poster, so ignore my previous comment.

 

A couple of race drivers including an Emerson fitipaldi, a 2x f1 world champion were in the p1's in spa. Nobody complained of performance loss.

Like I said the p1 has a smaller battery, only one electric engine and depends much less on electric power than the 918. A smaller battery will also fill up faster.

 

Welcome to the Zoo! Congrats on the 918, an incredible machine it is! Hooray Hooray. What color? (liquid silver and dark blue met are my faves). I agree with your assessments pertaining to performance and technical aspects. One thing, 918 Spyder is making more than claimed 887hp...both baseline along with 'overboost' capable output (even though it is not 'boosted' in the turbo manner, similar short bursts are now there, more kw has been liberated from battery into emotors, as there was decent headroom). As for 'top end' speed, outright numbers, and trend, from publications available thus far is that 918 is the faster machine 0-200mph. Car and Driver got it 0-180mph in 17.5sec. Sport Auto saw 0-186mph in under 19sec. Congrats on the car!

 

I was kidding about canceling your order, heck you can do whatever you want, it's your 1mil. Even if you'll be spending all your time telling your friends how much better 'your other car' is. But since you went 'there' again. There's now a different jumping point. Your 'truth' or 'fact' are not inherently such. Your versions, assertions, assumptions, based off of incomplete or misinformation. 'Hot Lap' and 'KERS' are most recent topics. Presented over and over, delivered from a position that depicts 918 as the inferior machine. From your very first posts, it's clear that it's not simply you "just prefer the P1"

 

P1, to me is the more fun car and puts a bigger smile on my face.

To me its the LF, P1, 918 in that order.

And about my versions, assumptions, misinformation etc, my apologies if stating 'facts' hurts your feelings.

 

Yikes?

Kris thinks the real test would be basically a stint. The distance P1 and his Pagani could go on one tank of fuel. When we race at the Ring a stint for us is 9 laps which is about 150 miles. We do stints back to back for 24 about 20 of them. IMO a "Hypercar" should be able to do one.

Kris told me this is the race he's willing to race. He's meeting with Ben to see if Ben will accept that in his P1. He's also challenged any La Ferrari to show up so far none have. I think a 918 could run a stint without issue.

As my friend Mark (RIP) said: "When the flag drops the bull**** stops."

 

It is. Keep in mind that a NS 7:30 is about a 24 6:50 as a 24 consists of the NS +GP which adds about 1:30 so 918 would be running a 24 9+m lap which is about what I think it could lap after lap for at least one stint/tank of fuel. P 4/5 C ran NS + GP at about 8:30 for about 20 stints. (All of this math is off the top of my head and is approximate by relatively close)

The question that Kris' Pagani Challenge to La Ferrari and P1 will answer is which of those can run a full stint at speed? IMO that is the test of a "Hypercar". As an aside Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina which the massive re engineering that PF did could run a full stint and P 4/5 C could run 20 of them even in it's street legal configuration and SCG 003 in it's road legal configuration will be able to as well.

 

60 laps of Sonoma is about 240km, the car with the biggest fuel tank + the driver with the fastest pace while conserving fuel would win. I don't think the p1 would last 240km on one tank driven flat out

 

P1 uses its brakes to cheaply replicate e-diff and torque vectoring, that's why they need to be of that material, and they'll still probably cook as that do on any car doing the same

 

Haven't heard anyone having brake issues with their 12C's. P1 with its far superior brakes will be more than OK, no need to worry.

 

OK. I got it.

So you guys can keep crowing about the non properly instrumented Motor Trend test. However, no one can bring up the fully instrumented and tested Autocar one? SMH. That's rich.

How do we know there wasn't a tail win in Carlos Lagos test?

He clearly only made one run--by himself, and/or didn't measure conditions (and that was the only thing he did, so he didn't tax the car really doing anything else). Do you have any other journalist times you'd like to quote (particularly fully instrumented) besides Motor Trend?????

Come On Mark. I hope you're better than that. Don't be duplicitous

 

Are you serious; is this a joke?

You obviously haven't read this thread or followed these cars any.

Facts count here; not speculation, outdated info or membership into the Woking cult. Sorry. Maybe you should educate yourself, and come back to us later:

Motor Trend 918 test (broke Track, handling records at Willow Springs; 1/4 10 secs flat).

2015 Porsche 918 Spyder First Test - Motor Trend Page 2

Motor Trend Best Sports Cars 918 test (shattered track, handling records). Pobst said it ""It scared me once or twice, but just keep pushing hard and it comes right down. I had everything off and I wasn't worried. I just manned up. I said, 'Screw it. I can drive this thing.' This car just works. IT'S A SWEETHEART TO DRIVE."

Read more: 2014 Best Driver's Car Bonus: First-Gen Mazda MX-5 Miata, Porsche 918 Spyder - Motor Trend


Car and Driver 918 test (0-180 17.5 secs). 1/4 mile 9.8 secs (145 MPH); 0-60 2.2 secs

Performance Data and Complete Specs

Road and track (Non Fully Instrumented Test): 0-60 2.5 secs, 1/4 mile 10.00 at 144 mph

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/road-test-data/test-data-which-is-faster-bugatti-veyron-or-porsche-918-spyder

Sports Auto 918 test; Motor Und Sport 918 test Faster than P1 0-186

Porsche 918 Spyder - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT

Sports Auto 918 Supertest, including Ring Test. Broke records, given a perfect score of 100. Faster than P1 0-186

Porsche 918 Spyder im Supertest: Der Herr des Rings - sport auto

H2H 918 vs P1

Harry Metclafe's Tweet on 918 being faster than P1 on Track during Evo test (was posted earlier in this thread). You can find it (if you want). OK, I found the image of it for you (the link is somewhere on here). Its' the post from Xybyx, #11956, 09-24-2014, 07:13 PM US EST

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari/388428-ferrari-f70-laferrari-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-porsche-918-a-598.html

Here's an overview of the EVO report from Goodwind Racing Website

GRR Read Test: Evo pits the McLaren P1 against the Porsche 918 | Goodwood Road and Racing

Top Gear chart; 918 faster (better handling, braking, acceleration). P1 had the highest G's on one turn of track; but 918 Handled better through out, other turns.

Speed Week: McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 - BBC Top Gear

Porsche 918 6:57 Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap Record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yz8cizr6sI

Note: All these were proper, fully instrumented and published test and H2H, except for Road & Track. However, Evo chooses to withhold their information, though we already know the 918 was faster because of Harry Metclafe Twitter account. And TG did not publish it's lap times, though they claim they will announce it on the show. Note: Insiders say the 918 was faster. And we know it bested the P1 in it's acceleration, braking, and handling test already published.

NOW THE P1 TEST


Autocar: P1 Over 20 secs 0-186; 1/4 10.2 secs

McLaren P1 Review | Autocar

Motor Trend-Non Fully Instrumented Test

McLaren P1: How I Set The Motor Trend Production-Car Record - Motor Trend

So now who exactly has tested the P1?

To my knowledge, it's only had one proper solo test with Autocar. And it was beat in it's two H2H's with the 918 (Evo and Top Gear).

Note: McLaren declined a recent Motor Trend invite vs the 918 and LaFe in the current Motor Trend Best Drivers Car issue. Can you say, "Put up or shut up"?

Dem Are Da Facts My Friend

 

But but but....

 

60 laps ! Durability test ?

Few laps will do justice IMHO and maybe closed privet road acceleration tests.

As much as I like the guys at Pagani and Mr.Pagani himself as we spoke few times before when I bought my Zonda F CS.

As much as I believe it's a one car race ! The P1 will win easy with equal drivers.


Mbn

 

I hear from several sources that Audi will release a LMP1 inspired R10 road car with a hybrid powertrain and 1050 hp.

 

One full tank stint. Surely a real Hypercar can run one stint at speed. As I said real race cars run 20 full lap stints at speed. Are you saying a race at 5% of a real race is too much for a true Hypercar like P1, La Ferrari or 918? I think a 918 could do it. I know the cars we build and sell can.

Cheers

 

Sports Auto Porsche 918 Spyder Supertest Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUp_Om_s78k

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143430428-post12519.html

 

Looking forward to seeing your car

As for the race, just like any race its all about good luck, good driving and most importantly a good 'setup'. Out of the box these HyperCars aren't made to run endurance racing. Only way to find out is actually test them.

 

What are Kris's expectations of his Huayra?

Within this proposal appears to be the understanding that Pagani's build quality will allow the Huayra to complete this "stint" without a problem. I won't be surprised if that's the case--Horacio builds the best cars in the world, IMO--I'm just wondering about the source of Kris's confidence.

Just how good is Pagani's build quality per what you are doing with SCG?

You should run P4/5!

 

One stint of about 100 miles isn't an endurance race. Any "Hypercar" that can't run at speed for one stint of about 100 miles without coming apart isn't a Hypercar.

What do you think?

Can P1? La Ferrari? 918?

I think 918 can.

 

Kris told me that's why he want's to race a reasonable distance which I think 100 miles would be.

Horacio's cars are very well built and I think they and a 918 could run at speed for 100 miles or more. I remain interested to see if Ben's P1 can and wish a La Ferrari owner would take Kris up on his challenge which to date none have.

P 4/5 C ran 24 hours at speed and in fully street legal configuration could easily run one full tank/100+mile stint. She could easily run 20 stints back to back without issue in fully street legal form. SCG 003 will speak for herself soon enough and IMO she will speak very eloquently. She will also be able to do something that cars haven't done for far too long...

Glickenhaus says SCG 003 will be 'road-to-race and race-to-road' - Autoblog

 

918 hasn't proved to be the most reliable lately, control arms, fires etc

Regarding what Hypercars should be able to do, don't forget that they are road cars at the end of the day.Someone posted here that an Enzo couldn't complete a lap of the ring without overheating its suspension reservoirs.

But to answer your question, I think the current Hypercars should be able to run till they run out of gas with no issues. The 918 guys should be extra careful if they decide to refuel quickly if refueling is allowed in a particular race