Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I feel like I'm being gangbanged by a bunch of angry 918 salesmen lol

One should be cautious of using the word squidgee here. It hurts feelings

 

Familiar feeling?

 

Lol

And I'm sure he likes it (Oops)!!

 

Whoopsy, sorry, but you're not making any sense. HP is a function of TQ and RPM. HP is not an on/off switch.

Under what circumstance other than depleted battery can you not access all 903hp of the P1 assuming TC is not limiting you for a reason? Please explain.

 

He thinks my dad owns all the oil, what sense would come out of him?

 

That's merely the difference between AWD and RWD traction control. In this example, the P1 has 903hp exiting the hairpin, it just can't use it for traction reason and thus you don't get it. In the 918, you get 100% of the power because it is able to use it. Just turn TC off if you want and you'll get 903hp. You might spin out or lose the rear, but that's up to you.

Also keep in mind that you're assuming you exit the hairpin at an RPM where you'll even get peak hp. Don't confuse full throttle with full power. I don't doubt that you can use more power out of a corner in AWD vs RWD, but that doesn't mean you can use 900hp. Both cars have TC as well. It's entirely possible that full throttle exiting a hairpin could be 500hp vs 600hp, and then 903hp vs 887hp once you hit that RPM.

 

Lets just say my logic put me in a position to be able to afford and enjoy these cars.

Where has your struggle with hate and denial led you in life?

 

Re: drifts "918" don't get it....... (take that either way)

3 quick points.

1 - Jim is right, a lot of hypercars probably aren't engineered to withstand more than 10 laps of your average circuit. It makes a mockery of the car bit of that term when it cant be used as such for any reasonable length of time at a decent speed. Bugatti found the constraint of making a car that is road compliant while also offering 300km+ top speed. The key point being that to simply offer more power without also re-engineering to allow that power to be used for longer than say 1 lap of a 3 mile racetrack is simply not acceptable, especially when you ask people to pay $1 million USD or more for it. However since most will get parked and never driven, except to sit out front of a restaurant, hotel or nightclub so the owner can look like a wanker, sorry car enthusiast and show everyone that he has just bought a P1, 918 or LF, maybe I miss the point. Or is it the car that misses the point? Porsche does have a legendary ability to engineer their cars so maybe they will be the one noted for reliability.

2 - How can posters criticize the 918 recall for a stronger part just in case an owner wants to go to Nardo and do a top speed run and then post that you, I take it you mean me, or is that anyone that has ever seen or smelled BS before, will be surprised when the updated P1 is revealed. Hypocritical, much? If you want to be real, criticise both of them for their flaws. I guess that be a struggle as you apparently cannot criticize the P1..... I feel McLaren shouldn't need to produce a P1B or P1GTR or whatever it will be. They should be happy with what they have made and stand behind it. After all based on posters here its impossible to improve on perfection.

3 - Pagani may never produce hybrids and I for one hope they don't. The hybrid package weighs sufficient that it can only ever add more design compromise's. For example I would like Pagani to make a Lotus Elise/ Alfa 4c size car with say 600bhp and their inimitable style. It might only have 70% of the power but if they could contain weight to perhaps 1000 - 1100kg it would be a blast. And I say good on Pagani for striving to do his own thing.

 

Spend money on a car I Like nothing about?

You are oblivious to anything positive I have said about the 918. I suggest you read back on my posts a couple of pages back.

The car has been criticized by media for axles and fire problems and the issues I bring up are serious issues that concern me as a future owner.

Not a fanboy, not a Porsche enthusiast, an owner that will want to drive his car on road and track.

 

y, i'm serious and there isn't any joke in here.

as i said i did, but about last 100 pages and not whole +600 pages!

who's facts? that's matter : ) "working cult" funny!. everybody need to educate themselves and i'm not an exception.

well, based on your informations 918 set 9.8 at 1/4 mile @ 145mph and 10 @ 144mph in the best.. in your url: Roadandtrack, 0-60 is 2.8 for 918 and its opposite with your first link and Auto-motor link is down mate!

then we need to face to face Harri Metclafe and chris Harris: (i haven't driving a car like this before, because there isn't any car like this ..its a different league even to 918).

that's funny, cuz in your own reference [GRR Read Test] they mentioned: (Okay okay, and the winner is… Evo duly obliges with a verdict, as indeed it must. The P1 is lighter, understeers less, has ‘terrifying theatre’ and ‘freakish levels of response’. After the circuit driving part of the test the mag concluded: ‘The McLaren is intuitive, forgiving and staggeringly entertaining.’ The track-day pick then, but with a rider: ‘Don’t think for a second it outmanoeuvres the Porsche’.

And for road driving? Vivian again: ‘The 918 doesn’t just match the McLaren’s accelerative punch it feels half as exciting again, with a feral race car scream that animates neck hair like a field of wheat in a stiff breeze…the Porsche leaves with the laurels.) so, are u listening to yourself?!

i think we dont have any proper time for P1 in Nurburgring. but under 7 claimed.

u need to look at the references for P1 as u did for 918, but if they said anything about P1 Pro's you'll ignore them. as we see, found 0-186 in 17.5 for 918 and +20 for P1 and 10.2 for 1/4 mile ..what the hell?!

here's some example for 0-300 and 1/4 for P1:

McLaren P1 ? Protection Detail | Car Care Blog | Detailing Blog | Polished Bliss
http://www.auto123.com/en/news/mclaren-p1-0-300-kmh-in-under-17-seconds?artid=153123
McLaren P1
McLaren states 9.8 @152 MPH 1/4 Mile for the P1 | DragTimes.com Drag Racing, Fast Cars, Muscle Cars Blog
http://www.autogespot.com/mclaren-p1-is-magical!-0-300-kph-in-16.5-seconds!
2014 McLaren P1 by Wheelsandmore Photos, Specs and Review - RS
McLaren P1 Has Sold Out | Hartvoorautos.nl yea this is dutch.
McLaren P1, il mostro esce dalla tana: 0-300 in 16", 11 km a zero emissioni - MOTORI they are italian!

well! as u see, there are all talking about -17 in 0-186 and 9.8 @ 152 for 1/4 mile.[faster than 918 in the end line].

+20 in 0-186 for 918:
Kies maar: LaFerrari, McLaren P1 of Porsche 918 Spyder - Autoblog.nl
Porsche Dealership News and Events at Jack Daniels Motors - 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder Upper Saddle River, NJ
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/driving-a--900-000-porsche-918-spyder-to-the-future-191710414.html "okay 19.9"
Photo Of The Day: Stig Meets Porsche 918 Spyder and McLaren P1 ~> the headline for the Weissach Package is improved performance. From zero to 100 km/h takes just 2.6 seconds, 0.2 seconds faster than the standard model. It takes just 7.2 seconds to travel from zero to 200 km/h in 7.2 seconds (a 0.5 second reduction), and 19.9 seconds to pass the 300 km/h mark (a 2.1 second reduction)
Jerry Seinfeld and his 918 Spyder | HendoSmoke ~> 19.9 and without Weissach=22 sec

to many huh? now can u claim all of them are wrong again?? i think you will :|

and a versus:
McLaren P1 versus Porsche 918 Spyder - which is best? | Autocar ~>
One, the P1 is faster than the 918. Everywhere. On paper it looks close enough for there not to be much difference in the real world. But in that real world the McLaren feels of-another-solar-system quicker the Porsche. It feels as fast as anything I've ever driven to be honest, including Honda's 2007 F1 car, whereas the 918 feels merely very fast indeed.

and there are 3 number's in my first posts that never been considered:

2-Auto car road tests.. just listen to the ending! ~> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmi7_LrjYY
and in 6:05 he says: this thing is goes to another level blah blah and so much richer than spyder~> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SGlN8xYZiw

3-evo test.. he freaked out and wondering like never before! here are two examples: 6:10 its so far beyond anything i ever drived before. 7:00 he's shaking and say: i feel like its the first time i've ever driving a fast car and its the same feeling when i first drove a supercar! ~> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ojSstEv7-k

4- 918 vs P1 vs LaFerrari acceleration~> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VryV2thfXI8

long story short, there are to many contradictory tests but u can find the right one's "if u want" my friend^
sO, let see how the others judging thease : )

just for fun~> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/47608486.jpg

 

There will be no "P1B" model and McLaren won't be modifying the P1 to correct mistakes made during development as is the case with this 918 control arm "enhancement".

McLaren may be working on an boost to the powerplant - both ICE and eMachine - in order to make their tremendously capable package even better.

>8^)
ER

 

It's not about what rpm or what speed one is driving, it's about what you paid for with your money, whether you paid for a genuine 903hp car or a 903hp with an asterisk telling you that your car is in fact a 727hp car with a shot of 176hp whenever the ECU feels like it.

When you drive your 12C, you know you are driving a 625hp car that you paid for, whether you put your foot down or not. Doesn't matter what rpm or speed or throttle position, you car IS a 625hp car.

In the P1, there IS suppose to be 903hp, you are suppose to be driving such a car, but it may not be, as the P1 operates in 727hp mode until the ECU decides to let you have some fun with boost, or if you put your foot flat on the gas and then use the IPAS button. The ECU might also decide to have the e-motor kick in earlier in the rpm range to help with the turbo lag, or it might reverse the e-motor and put it in charge mode. In short, you never know whether the car is in full 903hp mode or not.

Actually on second thought, in launch mode from rest, the car IS in 903hp mode, cause it tells the ECU to give it everything it's got for the duration of the full throttle application. But that's the only time one is sure the car is the 903hp car one paid for.

 

You do realized pretty much every link you provided with numbers are quoting factory claims? Not independent testing?

And for the reviews which said the P1 'feels' faster, we have already established that feeling fast and actually going fast is 2 different thing. Like when you are flying in a 747, you do not feel any speed at all, but you will be in fact traveling at or above 1000km/hr. Feel is subjective, not objective.

 

FYI, last time you said something half nice for the 918 was 80 posts ago, but the 2nd part of that post you trash it again. You haven't really said anything positive about the 918 throughout your 118 posts. Maybe you should be the one reading your own posting history first.

 

Erik,
As a current 12C owner who bought his car almost 2 years ago new, may I remind you of the IRIS fiasco, or the numerous technical problems that the earlier 12C cars experienced (eg. door sensors needing to be replaced, leaking gearbox, electronic gremlins and etc etc)? Any decent manufacturer will continue to QA and monitor various components on its cars long after the model has released to the public. If Mclaren does this, why can't Porsche or the other manufacturers?

Take my 12C for example, I chose to upgrade to IRIS 2.0 and guess what, Mclaren continues to release firmware upgrades because there are still bugs in the "new" version of IRIS. Using your analogy, this is clearly a "mistake" during development and should be frowned upon.

 

Mate, do you have anything other than factory wannabe claims and jurno's "feelings" for the P1 from the stone age?
How many times, someone have to write down, that at the time EVO, Autocar, etc. were driving P1 and 918, the last one was around 700hp restricted/unfinished prototype???

Please, don't dig the internet for proofs, because there are any on your side. McLaren are running away from any H2H tests, because this is their only chance to protect the vehicle for a little longer time!

 

Other than that, do you know how many replaced engines P1 owners have suffered? And how many battery packs for a short period of time...
But this is done secretly from McLaren and protected very well from cultists and owners...

 

i'm cool man, u can read my last post to.

just a question: how a car with 887-895hp, 750nm torque and 1685kg weight can beat a car with 916hp, 900nm torque and 1395kg weight? i know its AWD!
Kies maar: LaFerrari, McLaren P1 of Porsche 918 Spyder - Autoblog.nl
Huayra vs P1 vs LaFerrari vs 918 Spyder : Battle 18118

 

o man, those are what i had from about a month ago and you say easily they're from stone age? u just need a week to read all of them [joking]

BTW, i did it for a guy that showed me same references as you mentioned.

seriously? u say P1 and 918 with 700hp restricted achived that numbers?!

 

Nope
It's painful (I know), but you will need to read at least the last 200 pages here, to collect the info you are looking for... I don't have enough time...

 

Again, how is a car supposed to deliver all of its power if it's not driven at maximum throttle and full RPM? What you're saying doesn't make sense whatsoever. Read your post again and think about it... logically.

 

Most 918's that were tested earlier didn't have full power and were mostly driven behind a Turbo S or whatever.

 

No offense, but this is a crazy argument. For one, you're arguing against the point of TC and how HP is calculated. Secondly, you're thoughts on the ECU imply that the P1 cannot run out of battery power in anything but a straight line due to the user having little to no control over what it does and that McLaren programmed the ECU to know what you're doing or will do.

1. It makes no sense to discuss max power output at anything less than the RPM at which peak power should occur.

2. It makes no sense to question the max output of the e-motor at any given time unless you are at full-throttle. Of course the e-motor might be doing something else when you're feathering the throttle in a parking lot or casually passing someone on the highway at 4000 rpm.

3. It makes no sense to discuss max power output in traction limited situations. If you go full-throttle in the snow, of course the P1 e-motor is not going to kick in any additional power to the wheels. Why would it contribute to power that's being wasted? Same logic applies to a tight turn on a track -- if it can't contribute in a positive way, even at peak RPM, then it won't bother. It would just be wasting energy.

4. Why would they program the ECU to second guess the driver's request for power? It makes no sense for the ECU to interfere with what the driver wants under full throttle unless it's traction related. Do you really think McLaren programmed the ECU to try and guess how best to manage the e-motor when you're on a random track or road with unknown intentions?

"Our ECU didn't give you full power on that long sweeping turn because batteries were getting low and we thought you'd need it later. We had no idea that there were 50 opportunities to charge up again in the tight section of the track that came right after. Sorry for ruining your lap time."

Yeah, sorry, I don't buy it. You have 903hp when you have traction, when you're requesting it with your right foot, and when you're at the right RPM. To think otherwise is ludicrous IMO. Next you'll be saying that the P1 won't give you full stopping power because it would rather cool the battery with more air floor.

 

If you want to argue someone, you might also use correct numbers and facts. ;-)

P1 weighs 1,395 kg (dry) and ~1,500 kg (Kerb). That's about ~130 kg lighter than 918's kerb weight, which you quoted above. Also, 918 has 1,275 NM of torque.

 

that must have been some seriously google intensive research. this once again proves that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you. Yikes, you dig up old articles regurgitating old manufacturer CLAIMS and use them to oppose todays independent test data. And then the selection of video clips that you provide as 'proof' that P1 is 'the best'. BTW, those videos have been 'discussed' a million times already. Sorry you missed it. This is my parting gift, my last response to you.

You even quote from the latest EVO h2d. Those are not the entire quotes and without context. And I don't think you understand what EVO was saying (what that quote means is this: the 918 is just as fast (or faster) than P1 in a straight line AND it is also more exciting while doing it) BTW, Did you even read the ENTIRE article? There is a failure to communicate going on here at the basic level. Much seems to be rooted in language barrier. Here, to save you from more googling and cut and paste. For the complete article, you surely must have it already?

"What transpires is this: on these exacting Welsh roads, the 918 Spyder has the P1’s number. In a straight line, the Porsche doesn’t just match the McLaren’s accelerative punch, it feels half as exciting again with a feral top-end race-car scream that animates neck-hair like a field of wheat in a stiff breeze and simply ferocious torque-gorged push from what seems like zero revs. When Henry gets to sample it, he’s as blown away as Harry and me, declaring the 918 ‘monstrously quick with gearshifts that are so fast you feel they might not even have happened’". (The 918 is faster, and more exciting).

"Moreover, the Porsche feels so planted, so calm and so secure on the Triangle, you can exploit its unhinged violence more frequently and for longer. The steering is much heavier than the P1’s and feels a little less alert about the straight-ahead. But it has great feel and precision on lock and lets you know exactly what the front end’s doing which, in turn, engenders a feeling of absolute confidence the P1 never quite nails.

The sheer coherence of the chassis – the way the damping and brakes (with built-in regen but fine pedal feel) support the astonishing drivetrain – is almost spooky. Jethro’s a huge fan of the P1 but concedes that, for road driving at least, the 918 Spyder’s appeal is irresistible: ‘It feels so, so fast – faster than the P1 more of the time, perhaps because the higher electrical capacity does a better job of boosting low and mid-range response. Even in terms of outright pace it feels a match for the P1, especially when you find that last few millimetres of throttle travel. "

"Truth is, despite their comparable technologies and performance, the McLaren P1 and Porsche 918 Spyder are the products of very different ideologies – the P1 at its absolute, mind-bending best on track, where the full weight of McLaren’s F1 know-how and experience coalesce to shattering effect; Porsche attempting to pull off a perhaps even more ambitious fusion of race-bred powertrain and real-world competence wrapped up in a modern-day reinvention of the sublime Carrera GT. It may have turned up late, but the Porsche leaves with the laurels." (918 WINS)

In closing.

"If you want a hypercar to take to trackdays, buy the P1. It’s lighter, more responsive and kinder to its tyres (amazingly so). But don’t for a second think it outmanoeuvres the Porsche. The 918 has more mechanical grip in lower-speed corners and, incredibly, it carries just as much speed through the quickest corners here, too. It’s also massive fun. They both are. It’s great to know that the pursuit of extreme performance isn’t at the expense of simple enjoyment. The new world is like the old world. Only faster." (918 beats P1 by 1.5sec)


Maven, if you have the energy, you can try to address all of those things that Phanny presented. youtube, yikes! I've never come across anyone like this, someone who fails to grasp the difference between all those articles that were provided. Oh well, I'm done here.