Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Of course But the very very best P1 customer does get a video of the Ring lap (6:37). Yup.

 

Yes, same customers who believe the car has always 900+ hp and battery levels never drop when the car doesn't even recharge from e-diff, brakes or traction control

 

Under what circumstances does a driver not have access to 903hp?

 

Love the posts Scuderia980 at least you seem to be prudent unlike some of our learned brethren, I particularly like post 11527 from one of our fellows, and I quote

"I have driven both and own both 918 and p1. (918 on the way). Screw the articles, the p1 is the car I would want to drive on track or road 90% of the time. 918 for when the weather is nice. And I really doubt the 918 could keep up with a well driven p1"

Especially the bit "918 when the weather is nice" oh yeah that's because it has awd which gives it less grip in the wet than the 2wd p1.

And as for enhancements vs making the package better, isn't it all the same thing?

Now just to be extra mature I went and bought all 3 hypercars and one has already burnt to the ground, f*&ing design flaws, the other is parked because I don't like it, and the third is amazing, its the only car I drive, everyday be it to the office, camping with the wife and kids or track days, hell I sometimes do all three at once. It hasn't broken down once, it can do 0 - 186mph in under 10 seconds and feels super quick. BTW I am going to do next years Nurburgring 24 Hours in it because the factory has given me a secret video of it doing sub 6 minute nurburgring lap times, in the rain on road tires. I swear they showed me but I promised not to tell anyone about it, except for my buddies on Ferrarichat. The other two suck but I still bought them just to show the other posters. So there. Na Na Na. And I will cry if you try and tell me otherwise. Now wheres my fan-boy hat. LOL........

 

I see they did drag you on this nonsense debate lol !

The horsepower thing just made me laugh all day !


Mbn

 

Didn't you get the memo? P1 only has 424hp at 3000 rpm in a hairpin in the wet!

 

When he drives a 918

 

Well the good news is a lot of good news is coming regarding the p1

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa there Whoopsy. Porsche is the most profitable car manufacturer there is which means the margins across their entire range are higher than anyone else's and that includes whatever per-unit loss they're taking on 918. The fact that they chose to lose some money on an R&D car (money they'll no doubt make back many times over down the road when that R&D is reused over and over again) doesn't change the fact they're making a higher profit margin per vehicle than anyone else. So while you criticize McLaren (and by similarity Ferrari who is doing the same thing) for gouging a few very rich people by making a nice margin on their very limited production cars shouldn't you be criticizing Porsche for the fact that it must be gouging less wealthy people all the time on non-limited production cars? Of course you shouldn't. This shouldn't even be part of the argument. We all buy things every day that cost way, way less than they sell for. Certainly the gas you're putting into your cars has way, way higher profit margins than even the most profitable of the car themselves

I have a felling that if the 918 were the most profitable of the three cars you'd be arguing the other side of this particular equation. I'm confident the order of go of these companies by highest overall profit margin to lowest is Porsche, Ferrari, McLaren. McLaren is a tiny little company compared to the other two giants. I think it's great they're able to make a hypercar that even stays in the conversation with the other two.

I think all three companies have proved these cars are priced just fine for their intended audience. I have no doubt (I said this from the day I drove it) that the 918 will sell out and be considered one of the greatest cars ever made. Personally I enjoyed driving the P1 more and I'm more drawn to its styling and exclusivity. There are plenty of cars faster than my 458 but it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the car one bit. When I finished test driving the P1 I came to the conclusion that McLaren had nothing more to prove to me. The car is so astonishingly fast and so much fun to drive that I don't really care if the 918 or LaFerrari can best it on ring time. I'm guessing a lot of other P1 drivers told McLaren the same thing so they've stayed out of the pissing contest. If that means the Porsche Internet fanboys win then sobeit. It doesn't change the fact that they sold all the cars and that people are really enjoying the, on road and track just like McLaren promised they would.

BTW here's a picture I took at Spa two weeks ago. Everyone of those P1 owners were enjoying the hell out of those cars all day long. I was in an awesome 650S pushing it as hard as my courage would allow and they kept passing me like I was standing still! It was awesome! I've never seen a happier group of track day owners! Fittipaldi loved the P1 and was doing blistering laps in it all afternoon despite the fact it was his first time ever driving the track at Spa!
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Looks like a lot of fun. Its great to see these cars pushed hard and driven the way they are supposed to be driven.

I think your right, at the end of the day it comes to the actual enjoyment of what you do with the car rather than what it does on paper.

 

Maclife regulars have invaded this thread. Got tired of agreeing with each other I guess.

 

It funny how any pic, post or video about the p1 gets people irritated here

 

What's irritating is the smell of propaganda and having to keep putting people on ignore, but there you go.

 

Great Shot!

 

This coming from a bunch who, as someone mentioned earlier "exemplify the term shill in a comical fashion"

 

It's no. 3 to me but I love the P1. It's something else I find distasteful and it has nothing to do with the car.

 

Sigh

Once again; you're posting outdated, unsubstantiated, dubious or irrelevant info.

Every reasonable observer knows this. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised you can't, or don't want to.

You're obviously part of the cult if acting this way, and don't need any further response.

Lord Help You, and The Cult Of McLaren!

Maybe someone else will argue with you? SMH

 

I finally got a chance to look at a new LaF up close and can say without a doubt it is outright hideous. Some of the worst proportions to come out of Maranello since the Enzo. Looks like going inhouse styling was a huge mistake(speciale also tasteless).

P1 also strange looking but I'll have to say it nicer then LaFerrari from a visual point of view. I think all 3 of these cars are hugely overpriced especially since LaF is now 2.2mil euro used.

 

Are you referring to me? I've been on FerrariChat longer than I've been on McLarenLife and I do own (and love!) two Ferraris (458 Spider and FF).

But I do feel the need to defend McLaren's products here when I feel there is unfair bias against them. I've done the same for Ferrari products over on McLarenLife. I consider myself as much as a McLaren fanboy as I am a Ferrari fanboy. I also love Porsche. I've owned two in the past (C4 cabriolet & Turbo coupe) but currently don't any. I try my best to keep everything completely objective and not allow my emotions to get over-heated.

I don't subscribe to the ring time nonsense in that I feel that if McLaren isn't going to release the ring time then some magical ring time that some people claim to know about (I don't) doesn't matter and shouldn't be offered as proof of anything. Put up or shut up is my position on that. Porsche holds the ring time record for sports cars and they deserve kudos for it. McLaren and Ferrari both tested there and chose not to release times except where McLaren said they achieved their goal time of under 7 minutes. I'm fine with that. I'm not beating up Ferrari over their non-time either.

However having driven the P1, and owned 12Cs and a 650S, I'm confident in the company's products, and how they perform, and totally comfortable buying it.

My financial investment in Ferrari products (2 cars currently) is roughly equal to my investment in McLaren (1 car and deposit on P1). That will change with the P1 comes however I would have bought a LaFerrari (in addition to P1) if I could have but I don't have the history with Ferrari that was required to get one. So it's not my fault that I'll soon (November-December) have more invested in McLaren than Ferrari when my P1 shows up. But I try not to color my arguments based on where I've spent my money except to point out that I drove the 918 and decided not to buy it. But I have said that if I had unlimited funds I would have bought it because it's a great car. I'm on my 3rd McLaren and on my 3rd Ferrari.

 

Need I remind you that McLaren lost the initial supplier of their IRIS system through no fault of their own due to a natural disaster that was then followed by a nuclear disaster in Fukushima Japan. We'll never know how good that initial system could have been and they were in scramble mode to replace the supplier after that point, including one failed attempt with a company in Washington state before bringing the program in-house and assigning McLaren Electronics to the task. Their various updates to IRIS are hardly comparative to Porsche designing a part that failed under stress and missing that defect through their many years and millions of miles of testing.

Also, the IRIS system issues aren't being updated through the recall process and certainly weren't capable of killing someone when it failed. Porsche under-engineered a part - a very important one - likely in an effort to trim weight from their bloated hypercar, the very same weight that caused the part to fail in a particularly high stress situation, no doubt. This is something that finite element analysis and testing well in advance of production should have allowed them to determine and prevent. Even I will admit this is very out of character for Porsche, and a shame that such important corners have been cut on a car designed for outright performance. Perhaps they have softened up given the number of sedans and SUVs they now produce?

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Come on Mark, no justifications, there is no need for. We all appreciate your very fair and substantial posts! Keep on please.

 

You're using conjecture.

Porsche conducted hundreds of thousands--if not millions--of miles of testing on the 918 Spyder prior its public debut, and while that may not be enough for some, it has certainly been enough for clients who have purchased at least two decades worth of incredible high-end machinery from the manufacturer. Their testing has also been enough to produce one of the world's most consistent competition histories. If anyone was surprised or alarmed by a control arm failure on the 918, I'm sure it was Porsche.

Porsche also responded quite well to the debacle. From Autoblog:

There is also the recent video of a LaF-XX prototype having a rear control arm failure under similar "extreme race conditions." Any of these cars will break if you push them hard enough. Additionally--and in my opinion--it should be easier to identify a problem like a leaky gearbox over a control arm failure, regardless of how young or old the manufacturer happens to be.

At the end of the day, and regardless of the 918's control arm issue, Porsche have handled the build-up, release, and management of everything surrounding the 918 at a level of professionalism far beyond what McLaren have done with the P1. Bringing up the mechanical failure of a car that at this point has swamped the competition simply highlights the fact that Porsche have built a machine that goes harder and faster than the P1.

And remember when the F1 went to LeMans? The car had to be rushed back to McLaren for stronger control arms before race day. They all break. The 918 simply broke first--because it's winning. Point to Porsche.

 

Laughable argument for excusing a complete failure to engineer the part properly before putting it into customer hands. Points deducted in the eyes of most, just like they were when GT3's started self-immolating. "German engineering" used to mean something.

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This is exactly why people read your posts with a grain of salt.

Fact: Mclaren released a car with sub-par parts because its supplier went out of business.

Fact: Mclaren later had to release multiple software updates to try and get the hardware to work properly, where after 1.5 years of struggle, finally gave up and released version 2.0 of the hardware that Mclaren promised to its initial batch of customers (myself included)

Fact: There has been numerous incidents where 12C experienced total transmission failures on the road, hardware problems on the door sensors, a few suspension failure (again on the road), and they needed to be replaced. This, plus numerous electronic issues on the first 600 cars produced. Granted, Mclaren is a new car company, but when you are competing at this level, all of these problems are inexcusable. Based on your logic, would the transmission, door hardware, suspension failure and other electronic failures not considered as Mclaren's own fault? Or are these all Mclaren's suppliers fault?

Now, let's go to the 918.

Fact: Porsche made a recall on the control arm because it didn't pass the high speed durability testing on Nardo. Did a control arm actually failed on the road by actual 918 owners? No. This was all done actively by Porsche.

Now, if you are going to argue with me that there is huge difference on the "safety" aspect between a failed control arm and a failed transmission......well, I have no more to say to you. Can you imagine driving on the track or the road in high speed and all of a sudden your transmission gives up and goes into limp mode? Imagine doing 170mph on the straight away with cars right behind you and all of sudden you lose power and others rear end you. Hmm....

 

Well said.