Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

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The fact that Porsche discovered this "under extreme testing at Nardo Racetrack", but planned (or decided) to inspect and replace the parts in question, says all you need to know about Porsche-in what they expect out of the 918, and how they're looking after the car and it's customers. IMHO

How many customers are expected to take their cars on "extreme high speed runs" at tracks like Nardo? Lol.

Yes, Porsche makes mistakes, and doesn't always deliver faultless products. No they don't. And contrary to what some here would claim we believe, they're not Germananic Gods. They make mistakes, and aim to make a profit as any other manufacturer.....

However, it's this level of dedication for the track enthusiast-even for a $1mil Showpiece HyperBrid-which continually endears Porsche with many of it's clientele seeking fun, durable, track capable road vehicles. Who does this?

 

Making a recall or trying to hide all faults secretly, changing parts here and there? To ways of doing business. I prefer the first one...

 

These things. Yup.

 

Well put, and btw, McLarens never go up in flames? Hmmmm, what about this 12C?

McLaren MP4-12 bursts into flames - Photos
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Wow, I see a major design flaw here. Drift, where is your protective cloth?
Someone to photoshop a petrol station and a sqigee at this picture in order to hide things (mclaren way)

 

I think you do realize that that's a 12c, not p1.

My experience with early mclarens was terrible. They were never well sorted.

The updated 12c was a totally different car to the early test vehicle I drove and I have to give mclaren credit to the transformation.

Mclaren is a small company that has just started manufacturing. With the p1 they delivered nothing less than perfection.

What's porsches excuse?

 

Beautiful shot!

 

That's one way to put it, sure... This is exactly why people read YOUR posts with a grain of salt.

Comparing warranty issues with a recall issue is hardly apples to apples.

The Getrag transmission you reference is a supplier component - nearly identical to the part supplied to Ferrari for the 458 Italia and has seen similar failures there, yet none of that have risen to the level of requiring or instigating a recall.

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Now we are talking...
But I want to provoke some other members here.
Btw, how is the P1 engine? How many battery packs? Or you are from the lucky ones?

 

It's running like a charm, and has been squeegee proof so far

 

Proper spelling is actually "squeegee"

Hopefully Porsche will supply their owners with a warning label in short order as it is a very common practice to use one when gasoline has spilled on an automobile. I know I've done it and my car certainly didn't ignite afterwards.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they put a warning

 

Wow wow wow............

You do know that in today's automotive world, 85% of the components are made by 3rd party suppliers......

In Mclaren's case, the percentage is even higher because it doesn't really make anything in-house except paint. You really need to study your argument before you submit it online for the world to see.

Mclaren doesn't make its own engines (unlike Porsche or Ferrari), or transmissions, or suspension components, or its famous carbon tub, or the wheels, or the braking system, or the leather interior (unlike Porsche or Ferrari), or the seats, or the navigation.............need I go on?

Mclaren, in essence, is a final assembly shop. Using your own logic, then any components failed on the Mclaren isn't really Mclaren's fault because it's always the supplier's fault. Then the same rules applies to Porsche then because the control arm was not made by Porsche in-house, so hence, it must be Porsche's supplier's fault. So where does the buck stop?

Geesh, I feel like I'm talking to a little kid here.....

 

I am well aware of the brilliant way in which McLaren's Automotive business operates.

They don't make the paint either - their partner is Akzo-Nobel.

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Recalls are common for all manufacturers

Issues that arise due to bad design are not.

I love the top exhausts on the 918, my fav design feature on it.

Just wish they kept the fuel inlet in its traditional Porsche place

 

So, from the lucky ones?

 

All 375 p1, 499 LF and 917 918 owners are lucky. Only one has been unlucky from the lot so far

 

#918 from the lot, ordering a new one, comes to poove something, or?

 

Proves he was in an unlucky situation and that 917 cars remain.

 

Peloton,

This isn't aimed just at you but at several of the folks in this thread....

Do you really think getting into arguments about control arms and the one known 918 engine fire (at a gas station no less) really help add credibility to your arguments in favor of McLaren?

I'm as much of a McLaren fanboy as anyone but seriously arguing these silly points makes McLaren fans look petty and then McLaren, by association, look desperate. McLaren make fine products and they don't need this kind of bickering.

Please just stick to things you know to be factual and try to keep your emotions in check.

The control arms argument is dumb. Porsche beat the crap out of their car around a demanding race track, discovers a part that could be not up to the task and replaces it free of charge on every 918. How is that a bad thing? Beating them up for this seems counterproductive and just plain mean. You WANT to deal with manufacturers who are proactive about product safety.

Like let's please sop all the silly arguments about Porsche reworking their car after the P1 specs came out. How is that a bad thing for Porsche 918 owners? McLaren does that to and they do it for the benefit of their customers. Please don't try to make it sound like it's a bad thing because if McLaren announces some upgrade that makes the P1 better you're going to be arguing the opposing side of this argument in defense of them. BTW I wouldn't be at all surprised if McLaren will keep improving the P1 because that's consistent with what they've been doing for the past few years with the 12C. Heck they still service the 22-year old F1 at their factory.

The 918 fire is equally dumb. Nobody knows the exact circumstances for this accident but clearly if you're pumping gas next to a fire-hot engine you need to be careful. Any mid-engine car with the gas pump located near the engine is especially at risk if a big overflow occurs and seeps into the engine compartment. BTW, that includes the McLaren 12C/650s and Ferrari 458. It seems highly unlikely this will turn out to be a design fault of the 918.

On the other side of the equation, let's also stop the silly criticisms of McLaren that don't deserve to be criticisms...

It is true, McLaren doesn't make the engine for their cars. Those engines are manufactured by a third party based on McLaren's design and specification. That third party is one of the finest, and most experienced, engine manufacturers in the world. They've been making engines longer than Ferrari or Porsche have. They make GREAT engines.

McLaren also doesn't make their carbon fiber chassis. But again, it a GREAT chassis made tot their design and specifications. The direct competitors to 12C/650S don't even use carbon fiber chassis despite the obvious advantages of such. They save those for their higher end cars. When I drive my McLaren for a week and then get in my 458 it feels like someone loosened all the bolts in the 458. There's just no comparison between the chassis of the Ferrari and the McLaren. McLaren wins here. So the fact they don't manufacture it in house means nothing.

Carbo Tech and Ricardo are value-add to McLaren just the same way Brembo (brakes), Getrag (transmission), and Delco (shocks) are value-add to Ferrari and Bremo and Getrag are to Porsche.

 

Any of you Porsche experts get the VIN/serial number of the fire-roasted 918?

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Your right Mark. Please post more pics and details of spa we need more of that kind of contribution

 

Never justify why you bought a car over another arguing about this nonsense over and over again is totally useless.

With experience you build your own knlowedge and what you like and how different cars makes you feel.

Non will feel that only you I've been on this games since I'm 15 so over the years I built my owm liking

I saw Chris Harris latest video after driving the 3 and he stills believe the P1 is the best driver car and I totally agree with him I know what he means.

I really don't care what others feels or like I care about what I like and will buy.

So far the P1 got my liking to a point I'm thinking doing the P1 GTR program and will spec a one of one 650S.

You will only know how special a car factory is until you really get in touch closely with them.

And so far McLaren doing its best as a new company to stay combititive and working so hard to make everyone happy.

Secon car im buying without a blink a laferrari simply because I do love ferrari and the whole owner experience slower or faster I don't care.

Third a 918 if I thought of one it's not a bad car at all it's just not for me.

Some here so protective and fighting a game that that non one will win simply because end of the day we will enjoy our cars the way we want not the way somebody wants.

Btw. Trying to use the recall issues and warranty issues a cheap shot to prove a point all factories do it.

Now I'll ignore any replay trying to argue with me because I don't care what anybody thinks and please never care about what I think move one with your nonsense mags fights lol

Mbn

 

What I didn't like about the P1 build is that the carbon tub, the bottom half is from the 12C so it is injected while the top half is layered... kind of a hack solution if you ask me.

LaF only one in the group with a V12. Honest why would people pay 1.2mil eur(P1) for a V8 with turbos...

 

Another well thought post.