Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Watch the video I posted before and you'll realize that you've been wrong/misinformed the entire time. The driver was at full throttle and the battery was discharging so it was using all 903 hp. It only has "727 hp" when the car is in Boost mode, that's where the driver can decide when to use the IPAS button, thus having the full 903 hp.

 

I believe this is where he is mistaken. The graph most likely illustrates IPAS mode -- the mode where you control all the boost.

As I pointed out, the ICE is already running well into the high revs and the torque curve is actually flat even before the e-motor kicks in. Prior to the e-motor kicking in, combined toque actually equals engine torque. If this was in the normal/auto (Race?) mode, the e-motor should have been active in the low-end. That's one of the biggest reasons for having it -- torque fill for big laggy turbos. The fact that the e-motor only come on once the ICE is near peak torque, and that it is actually significantly delayed compared to throttle application makes me think this is not in auto mode. It makes no sense for it to function like that. You'll also notice that even during the low-end the throttle was not exactly that weak. There looks to be plenty of throttle during which the e-motor should have kicked in.

This would also explain the totally different boost lengths in each run. The driver merely held the boost for different period of time. After he released the button it went back to normal ICE mode. The battery then continued to stay at the same level because all 727hp were being used.

 

Igor - you occasionally ride the coat tails of people who know what they are talking about, but in this thread you have only proven yourself to be an expert at being wrong, time and time again in fact.

You've also proven not to be a man of your word on this forum when you lost a bet you made with me, then failed to make good on the wager of said bet, and eventually changed your screen name to hide the embarrassment - or whatever excuse you want to come up with.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and give up trying to school anyone around here for good.

>8^)
ER

 

Ferrari beg to differ. The V12 will stay alive. Nothing beats a N/A V12. Smaller Ferraris will get a compromised turbo V8.

 

We will remember this bit of wisdom from you. Oh yes, we will.

>8^)
ER

 

Yeah, and where is 0% on this graph? That's kind of the more important part, yeah?

P1 runs out of batteries in 4s on full throttle. Right.

You should probably just take a break from this thread.

 

Ok if it's same gears might be different wind conditions or road gradient or many other factors. What matters is the battery is KO after 2 seconds. Congratulations on your non-buy.

 

You're embarrassing yourself. I know you don't want to be wrong and you want the P1 to look terrible in every respect, but just give it a rest.

 

Actually, I went back to my old presentation files from Mclaren when I was there at the private unveiling. The graph that you are seeing is actually a graph from last year's F1 car. This is not even the P1's graph.

 

Ha. That's pretty funny if so because it would imply this whole conversation about it was nonsense in the first place.

Are you sure though? That graph says "McLaren P1 - The Workshop" in the top left corner. I just cropped it out to make the image smaller and remove a bunch of blank space on the slide. Also, those acceleration times look pretty slow for an F1 car under full throttle.

100-200 kph in 5s seems too sluggish to be an F1 car.

 

lol he's right. It says "How KERS works".

This is the "How IPAS works" graph: http://i.imgur.com/HTf0LSp.png

 

LOL. Guess I'm wrong too being that it's not even a graph related to the P1! Man, I knew that graph didn't make any sense. Who even brought that up in the first place? Now someone with a P1 go try my theory of short uses of the IPAS button to replicate it!

So, I guess that's the end of the P1-doesnt-have-903hp conspiracy theory!

 

Are you kidding? Nothing ever ends in this thread.

>8^)
ER

 

I shared it with some other graphs, there was an IPAS graph in the mix, but different from the one I just posted. lol

 

You McKnobheads!

 

Your responses have been spot on predictable. You have a defense or excuse for everything. And as ever plenty of incomplete and mis-information to go with your bashing of competing brands. Your hate and bias many times makes you come across as a bitter person, and many times outright unpleasant via your veiled denigrations of myself and others. You like to tell folks that you are a fan of cars, of immense engineering, but you really are not. No appreciation for anything besides Mac. Per the topic at hand: "Porsche under engineered a part...likely an effort to trim weight from their bloated hypercar...something finite element analysis should have allowed them to prevent". Mr Mac claims "Porsche under engineered the part to save weight on its bloated car"

It was a supplier issue. Here's what happened, the fault was found in a small number within a particular batch of control arms. There was a batch where a few of the control arms were not quite up to spec, but those somehow still made it out the door from the supplier. From that batch is what 'failed', and only after serious testing. Cars that had already been built and those currently in build with parts from that batch were immediately and quickly identified, a very small number of cars. Replacements/correction was quickly put in place. None of those cars were found to be at any risk, but the control arms were dealt with anyway...common sense precaution. The whole fiasco, and the subsequent 'recall' was so insignificant to warrant any kind of blood pressure increase to Porsche folks, it happened so fast, dealt with so quickly and easily, that it had nearly zero impact on production. But of course, Mac cultists hugely blow out of proportion ANYTHING. Well, except for P1 being beaten by 918 in performance terms. That, well that, it's being framed in a different manner. "how it feels, the learning curve, the 'reward'..." those are now in vogue.

 

thank you sir. utterly reasonable and level.

 

It is very difficult dealing with 'the force' (don't know if you're a Star Wars fan)...because the bias and hate is very strong, turning grown ups into non grown ups

 

Lol I know you did that on purpose. That is master level

 

MarcNC & Unotaz, great comments & post but remember no-body wants to hear the truth unless it agrees with their blinkered fanboy status.

It cant be at all hypocritical to blame an outside manufacturer for the 918 but exonerate the P1 with the excuse that it was all the outside manufacturers fault.

Keep making your perfectly reasonable arguments, not that the true P1 fanboys will agree anytime soon.

 

Imo, the car itself isn’t the problem and the reason for this debate for countless pages. Everybody in his right mind knows that P1 is one marvelous car and milestone in McLaren history…

The problem is the way it was presented in front of the world, the states and the whole marketing BS, which some people at McLaren HQ decided to splash in order to make a bigger hype. But all these people underestimated the competition and made a huge mistake going so high in claims with so little effort (obviously).

Almost all of YOU (McLaren cultists, depositors, owners, etc…) expected and were absolutely sure, that P1 will smash all the records around the world. All of you, were refreshing mclarenlife.com thousand times a day, when P1 was at the Ring, waiting for the “lap time”. Today you have no time and are more interested in “feelings”, hm…

Then you were waiting for the “lap time” to come next Tuesday, the Tuesday after the next, so on… It also didn’t happen. And you left with your feelings… again. Then McLaren said “ we will smash everybody, everywhere, except the Ring”. OK, but this didn’t happen also. They were beated twice by the 918 and decided to exit every H2H, hmm…
Have you ever thought over the question, why nobody is bashing laferrari in this thread? Because they were fare with the world – built their hypercar, sold it in hours, claimed nothing… that’s it! Plain and simple, typical Ferrari style and nobody has problems with that.

All in all you believed in hype, that a small company will defeat the two big players with ease.
Sorry, but this isn’t the case and P1 won’t repeat F1 destiny!

 

Think about a tub/chassis that is so strong that it passes a front 90MPH fixed barrier impact without any passenger intrusion , entirely carbonfiber, very, very light, with CF front and rear subframes that are so strong that suspension can be bolted directly to it, so strong that an engine, gearbox, complete suspension, wheels and tires can be attached as one stressed member held on by 6 bolts...

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Serious looking tub you got

 

I paid my P1 deposit way before any claims nor I cared I loved the car day one and once I took delivery I knew I did the best thing even after I drove the 918 WP twice !

I'm so happy with McLaren to a point I'm planning to revisit the factory soon for my final P1 GTR decision and to spec my MSO 650S.

And since I dealt with almost all exotics factories out there McLaren did so well being new and small actually they did more than I expected them to do.

That's why they won my trust and business.

Mbn

 

The rest ain't too bad either...