Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Hopefully the rest combines functionality with beauty, there was a P1 in SA and to my eyes it trades too much on functionality from a styling point of view.

 

Very well put - Yes although the P1 does not repeat the F1 destiny - It was probably not meant to either.
If F1 like dominance is to be the target - Then there's no way of getting it done with a 1.1M car
A Technologically more advanced car priced in the 2M+ range would get the job done IMHO

 

FIA approved? Didn't know the GTR was going to really race.

All FIA front impact/side impact/rear impact tests are run without a rollcage.

Please show me the FIA rollover regulation that doesn't require an added steel roll cage for real racing.

You flip. Your car catches on fire. Ever see what happens to CF when it burns? You engage your fire system. Your burning CF roof collapses before you can exit squashing you. Personally I'm glad our race version has a full FIA steel roll cage and our road version has steel front and rear steel roll hoops with steel roof connection to both. As an aside Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina has a full steel roll cage hidden behind it's CF interior.

 

I'll pm you my email. Email me and assuming your word as an Officer and a Gentleman that you won't share or publish I'll let you decide as we now have a locked design which imo looks pretty good...

While you can't publish you may comment freely as to whether or not it looks like a keeper or Dog poop.

As for functionality I look forward to comparing our aerodynamic efficiency ratio with ANY GT car on the planet.

 

Thank You for your thoughts and bravery.

I know you mentioned this above. But let's not forget, the arrogant, insufferable Mac fanboys, lackeys, owners, paid internet trolls/cultist, who continually threw gasoline on top of McLaren's aforementioned Pseudo Bonfire of numerous dubious claims.

I say that respectively, not to troll. But unfortunately it's true. Yes, it was McLaren's crazy, unsubstantiated claims, followed by the never ending Internet Echo Chamber--swearing by them, and seemingly attacking anyone who disagreed with the various unsubstantiated and dubious claims. Even now. Facts don't matter.

It just threw all legitimate, and oft times CIVIL discussion out of whack.

 

I agree and would include those who've posted "**** Ring Times"


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P1 isn't pretty nor beautiful. It looks evil and menacing and I'm glad they went that route. It's unique.

That is the right way to do it. Racing wise can this be fia approved?

Your red p 4/5 is one of the most beautiful cars of all time. If your new car looks anything like it it will be a stunner.

 

Hey Jim.

Speaking about "Da Ring"....Maybe you'll show your buyers their own private Nurburgring record setting Video after purchase?

One catch though. Neither you, or they can share it with the rest of the world to ever see. You can only boast about it on internet forums and Youtube.

OK. I've said enough already. Lol.

But I'll say this. Historically we know:

Porsche's the Wife you TRUST
Ferrari's the Mistress You LUST [after]
Now; McLaren's the Interloper/outsider, Bastard Child, New Woman (pick your own) creating a FUSS--seeking legitimacy

At least, that's how it appears HERE (and other sites on the internet) regarding the latter.

Thanks for the photo and link.

 

When we run the Ring we do it in front of 230,000 people.

Next March during test days we'll run the NS with SCG 003 in full public view. Anyone will be able to time us. Looking at our Simulations I believe we'll kiss 6:30 on slicks running hundreds of kilo's of ballast to reach race weight requirements and about 550 HP restricted endurance tune which we can run for about 8,000 KLM's. Our road version won't run slicks but it will have MUCH more HP and be a LOT lighter. This would put us at the level of the top BMW's/MB's/Audi's/and Porsches.

 

You probably wouldn't cover it in a race car. More weight and less head room for tall drivers wearing helmets.

Our SCG 003 chassis is so strong that the center section of the racing roll cage can be unbolted for road use ingress leaving front roll and rear roll hoop for safety. Our race cage fully passes all FIA race requirements even with removable/unboltable center section of cage and car.

 

That graph doesn't pertain to the P1. It was produced BEFORE the P1's e-motor was designed or built! Its explains HOW KERS WORKS and that's it. If you read the rest of the document you'll see it goes on to explain the challenges McLaren faces, one if which is there is no e-motor in existence that will produce the power needed so they will have to build one. That document wasn't even for public use.

 

You are preaching to the choir boys, I am sold already on your creation, but while I am not committed yet, it's no fault on your company or the car, just that I have other commitments and priorities first.

 

MUCH BETTER graph!! Haha

This one definitely looks better for the P1, the hybrid system is working at all rpm.

Crisis at McLaren averted, no owners need to jump off the roof now. But it also shows that the P1 is using a lot of engine power, aka gasoline, for recharging. Not very efficient.



Just for fun, and to take a jab at Erik, using his line of thought on himself: How's it feel like a 918 buyer, Unotaz, saved the bacon for the McLaren fan boys?

But you know, deep down, he, me and a lot of other 918 buyers are just petrol heads, we love cars and loved to dig down to the bottom of stuff to understand how it works, we don't blindly preaches companies PR releases, doesn't matter who release them.

 

The world's tiniest violin is playing such a sweet, sweet tune right now. I hope you enjoy it.

>8^)
ER

 

Details of Platform 13 Update - Page 2 - McLaren Life

Platform 13 Glitches

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My 2012 coupe was delivered back to me a few hours ago with the Platform 13 upgrade and the rear camera. A few issues so far:

1) On the 2nd boot up the McLaren Components Updater attempted to update the Radio Tuner Application but it failed. Screen was frozen until the car was shutdown and restarted. At that point it successfully retried the install.

2) I had a hell of a time getting my iPhone 5 to pair on BT. The phone recognized the car (new name IRIS) but could not connect successfully. I rebooted both the car and the phone but to no avail. Finally I Forgot the connection from the iPhones BT list and it successfully found it a 2nd time and paired.

3) The backup camera image froze on the IRIS screen halfway through reversing (possibly when the phone was syncing) and would not go away. About 30 seconds later IRIS overlaid a "SORRY" message and offered a screen button to force deletion of the image. It worked.

Software testing continues to be the weak link at McLaren Automotive IMO.

 

May I ask what does this have to do with this thread? It's not like all Ferrari's and Porsche's are free from issues. You just enjoy picking on McLaren, don't you?

 

It's mentioned in McLaren's press release that it meets all FIA loads and worldwide crash requirements.

 

I doubt it looks anything like P 4/5. It will be too much LMP inspired with no real design identity.

 

It goes down in the history of McLaren Automotive that the decision to bring the development of the 12C's Infotainment system in-house, to a group of highly skilled electronic engineers who had never developed any such system, was a bad idea. This was Ron's decision and the early results were certainly not fitting of a $250,000 car, even if it is your first effort. I'm sure there are people who won't consider another McLaren because of those early troubles. They have a much better system in place now, but it took them about two years and a lot of headaches to get there. To be fair to the McLaren Electronics team, the hand-off was way late in the game and had they been given all the time the previous two suppliers had burned up, these launch headaches likely would have been significantly minimized even given their lack of experience in that realm.

Who is doing your Infotainment system in SCG 003 Jim? Will it be Apple again?

>8^)
ER

 

Haven't been on this thread for a while so I wonder, have you come to a conclusion which is the best between the 918 and the P1?

 

Most of the people who will give you an answer made up their minds before they ever saw this thread. Maybe we could tally up the votes and decide that way.

>8^)
ER

 

It goes directly to what some owners have posted in this thread about after owning a 12C they went to a 918 rather than a P1. Initial issues are one thing "fixes" years after the 12C has come out and been discontinued that are still funky is another.

Bench racing is one thing but the experiences of those who actually own, drive and try to use these cars is another.

 

Once again what part of "Please show me the specific FIA regulation that allows a carbon fiber roll over structure in a real race car." are you unable to understand? What part of "FIA loads" means simply that if flipped the passenger compartment can't be invaded by more than 1/2 inch are you unable to understand? How about as CF is exposed to fire it melts much more than steel and that's why in addition to "FIA loads" (70,000lbs) afaik still the FIA requires that the roll over structure that meets those required loads has to be steel in cars that race in real races? World wide crash requirements? As 003 easily passes those without a steel roll cage I'd cardinally hope a P1 GTR would. You really have to put down press releases, magazines, your books and get out of the University and into a hot pit.

 

Engine management, ABS, TC, wiring, alternator, etc. Bosch. They refer to the project as "Glickenhaus V6" should any of our customers need to order spares directly.

Stereo, IPhone (which we use 24 hours at the Ring as radio's don't reach the entire course), Bluetooth, Nav (Tom Tom) are all Apple. Rear view camera mill spec.

Your owners manual will list everything including all mathematics of car should your Great grand children need to fix or replace anything 60 years from now. All plug and play standard protocol.

You forgot to mention that some RF from driveway gate openers completely shut down and immobilized early 12C's. Happened to a friend of mine one too many times. I believe he gave his back and moved on from a P1 to a La.

 

To answer some questions lately. 918 fanboys won't like this




[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_AkMy3WEAE]McLaren P1 Thrashed and MTC - /DRIVE on NBC Sports: EP02 PT4 - YouTube[/ame]