Jules Bianchi Undergoes Surgery

A Warning light on the steering wheel, beeping in earpiece prepare !!

New tech new age drivers .... not that far fetched to me ....still, stick the flags what do I know.

 

Stick the flags where?

 

Don't me wrong, I'm not tying to claim I do either!..... But it seems we're getting a lot of knee jerk reactions to what was an *incredibly* unlikely occurrence.

There have been literally hundreds of cars moved out of the way with nary an incident over decades. They have this stuff down! (As evidenced by our tractor driving friends here).

Is it perfect? Of course not, it never will be.

But I keep coming back to obeying the flags as intended..... Even if they'd deployed the SC a lap or so earlier, right now, they carry on 'racing' till they get caught up & inline. And as we've seen, that takes a while.

Maybe a radio message from the team (they know where their guys at) within 20 seconds (or whatever) of Charlie issuing a 'slow the **** down' message to the wall?

Or something..... I'm open to ideas!

Cheers,
Ian

 

The idea is simple and it's bolloxs to them, slash the speed, we are trying to save lives, humans do not obey or lets say they bend the rules they always will (ask me how I know ) and at that level more so especially..

 

LOL -Do you really want me to answer that

You want me banned along with the rest of um, I knew it..

 

I'm tired of you being your own worst enemy

 

Bianchi's condition

"A diffuse axonal injury is one of the most common traumatic brain injuries, but can also be "one of the most devastating".
Severity can vary over a wide range but the extent of Bianchi's injury has not been communicated at this time.
Such an injury is usually the consequence of the forces of a rapid acceleration or deceleration of the head and affects the nerves in the brain."


Read more at Jules Bianchi suffered 'diffuse axonal injury', a severe brain trauma, after Japanese GP crash | Japanese Grand Prix | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1

 

Yikes. After reading a few web pages, I'd suggest we keep Mr. Bianchi & his family foremost in our prayers and good wishes...T

 

How about armco skirts for track cranes and tractors? Or maybe water barrels or tire blocks deployed by forklift when the tractor moves onto the track.

 

The solution is not a safety car for every single accident. The solution is a safety car whenever any foreign obstacle -- like that front loader -- is placed on the track side of the barrier.

The barrier is there to minimize the consequences of a car going off the track. The purpose is defeated completely when a heavy metal hazard is then placed in front of the barrier under a green flag.

And if you can't bring yourself to go that far, you should certainly do it under wet track conditions.

Many racing incidents are not reasonably preventable. This one most certainly was.

 

Not me Ian. Racing should be in adverse conditions too, but not to the point of being unsafe. I made my comment to stop the race once full points were awarded and hard rain started falling because ligthing was pretty bad too. And THAT made overall conditions dangerous for drivers IMO. Also remember I was one of the first to point out BIanchi was speeding, so definitely flagging needs to be reinforced, rather than SC deployed every time it rains a bit hard or there's an accident. Driving in adverse conditions show who's a great driver, and also gives slower cars a chance to win, making the race more exciting...so I'm all for it. But just in this case, heavy rain, high winds, and poor visibility warranted stopping the race IMO, even if it hadn't been an accident. Have a great day folks.

 

Once again, and I apologize for shouting, IT WAS NOT UNDER A GREEN FLAG!

Three stations out was a stationary yellow. Two stations out were double yellows. Station ahead of the accident (Sutils) was double waved yellows. Exactly as it should be.

Double waved yellows means, and has pretty much forever, SLOW THE **** DOWN AND BE PREPARED TO STOP, ON THE TRACK, IF NECESSARY.

That this rule hasn't been enforced as a result of them being race car drivers who ask Charlie 'how much do I need to slow?' every weekend is the failing here IMO.

Ian

 

I hear you, but we've got to remember that they were still changing to inters as late as lap 41. In other words, it was not raining that hard. Sure, it picked up later, so maybe if someone had gambled on full wets they'd have been golden. But that's irrelevant, we'll never know.

Agreed on the light though - I suspect a minimum light level rule may be introduced as a result of this disaster. Beyond that, and *real* enforcement of the flag rules, I don't know what else they can do in real time.

Ian

 

Even better,self driving cars with our grand prix heros sitting at the computer pushing buttons.

 

Even under yellow with safety car, aren't drivers allowed to catch up and form up? I think thats why he was oushing

 

as far as I understand part of the initial confusion arose due to the TV channels also missing Bianchi's crash.
If I am not mistaken, Sutil's crash only triggered yellows as it was standard procedure and far off the track. A lap later Bianchi crashed and the severity (possibly standard procedure as soon as someone is visibly hurt) made the safety car then appear as a result of the second crash, not earlier.
I think I watched BBC and they only realized at about the red flag time that it wasn't Sutil that was hurt. No one realized the missing Marussia in the charts...

 

Somewhat different scenarios.... Note however that Jules crash occurred before the SC was deployed. At the time, the section ahead of Sutils accident was under local, double waved yellows. The remainder of the course was green.

Once the SC is deployed, the whole track goes yellow - I believe waved. This means 'proceed with extreme caution' but is one of the problems with it - it takes many laps for them to form up, let alone let the lucky dogs pass so they're in the 'correct' order for the restart.

Ian

 

I hate to bring this up but it was Bianchi driving the car. Slow down? He takes his foot of of the gas. he was told on the radio by his crew chief of the off by Sutil. I'm sure he could see yellow flags waving. His steering wheel was flashing yellow in that activates in the sectors in yellow. According to the URL of the F1 site he was exciting the Dunlop curve at about 130 MPH! Most of the track was good for inters where he and Sutil went off was more wet.

If you look back at past F1 races in the wet there were times when it was a hell of a lot wetter then this race. Remember Massa was World Champ for 30 seconds in Brazil?

Forget Charlie having a "magic" button to slow cars. The drivers know how to slow but sometimes they forget and the results are ugly.

Bob

 

One near fatality in 20 years is still a very good safety record for this sport.

 

+1 but we have to count Felipe's accident in Hungary. Overall the sport has a very good safety record. Much work has gone into it. Things will never be perfect and this weekend reminds us how dangerous things are at times.

Hopefully F1 has learned and more important of course is that Jules recovers too and be with his family.

 

True enuff, but as I have mentioned before, if the safety aspect needs tweaking in regards to the Jules accident, take the option out of the drivers hands, in what they believe is a considered (safe speed) for the conditions, or ban them a race for speeding under the waved flags...ect.

Electronically controlled limiters is the way forward IMO, and to the jokers that say, oh they might as well sit behind a monitor and get a robot to drive it, well go and get a Harley up to full tilt, without ya silly helmet on.

 

A vast improvement but not good enough yet.

 

Strike "near".

We already lost a driver due to a F1 accident last year.

 

When I look at the races from 40 years ago, with fuel tanks that ruptured,trees by the sides of the track,minimal safety helments,or none,cars that disintegrated,races that continues with marshals and flames on the track, the current status is near perfection