Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Thanks peloton,you are a sea of knowledge

 

Wow. Over 600 pages. Do you guys ever sit around with friends and talk about cars in a fun way or is it solely internet pissing contests? Would any of you truly walk up to someone getting out of a laferrari and say "hello, your car is worse than a 918."

These discussions are fun over a beer and while poking fun at friends. The majority of this thread shows the most sad and un-fun side of car enthusiasm.

Is it possible to steer it back to actual discussions of pros and cons of each manufacturer's approach in a way that doesn't piss on owners?

 

Too many fanboys would get butthurt if you did that.

 

Just read this article. Any one else who reads this and says that AC is being biased because it is british has a very large stick in their behinds. This article pays total respect to both cars. They did not do a lap time test but that's ok.

 

It's pathetic that we will never see a LaFerrari going up against these two, as Ferrari have yet to accept someone's invitation.

 

-At high speeds, though, the P1 goes to a place that is well beyond anything you’ll experience in any other road car, including the 918, because at 100mph and beyond the P1 feels like it is superglued to the ground. And the harder you push it, the more stable it feels, just like a fullblown racing car only ever feels lit when it’s being properly nailed.

so Autocar is an another wrong source or what?!

 

+100

 

Far worse than not offering any test cars are the threats of exclusion from Ferrari if a publication were to somehow procure their own test subject from a willing owner. :thumbsdown:

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The 918 front electric motor needs to decouple at 165mph because it only has 1 gear. At 165mph, the motor is spinning at over 16000rpm!

The Autocar comparison was an interesting read and for the most part, I don't disagree with their assessment. The acceleration number on the 918 is very weird I must say. While I expected the P1 to out accelerate the 918 from 150mph and above, taking almost 30s to get to 200mph is way off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-DUULV1tE&spfreload=1&channel=cc8186

This was an acceleration test done by Sport Auto on the 918 in "Sport" mode (which isn't even the fastest setting). By my watching, the 918 in that video did 0-200mph in approximately 23s. Based on my driving experience between the P1 and the 918, I would have expected the difference to be around 3-4secs up to 200mph (P1 leading the way).

 

No doubt there will be an assaulting of Steve Sutcliffe's character here shortly, while the 918's defenders attempt to play down the strength of his words in this new piece.

Yawn...

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Thank god I don't subscribe to any of these magazines anymore.

Only thing they briefly point is 0-200mph and no concrete numbers "shade over 20 seconds" could be 21-22....just under 30 seconds could be 29-28-27

really autocar??? wtf


this is going to be another 5+ year wait till someone gets p1,918,laf from owner and does proper test like enzo, carrera gt, mc12, ccx ring test.


this has been posted 0-333 km/h 918 Weissach Package
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-DUULV1tE

0-200mph around 25 seconds.

after 185mph the acceleration really drops off compared to P1 and LaF.

 

Keep in mind that speedometers are not very accurate and there's no telling what the driving conditions are. A few percent off is not uncommon and would have considerable effect on the times where we are defining a handful of seconds as massive. If that speedo was a mere 3% high at 200 mph, you could very easily add a few seconds to that 25s time.

That said, it's more important to at what's going on across all speeds rather than a single number. Being slow to 200mph is no indication of how quick it is from 0-199mph or something much more reasonable and practical.

 

So the p1 is faster on long enough deserted airstrips, the 918 everywhere else

 

Is there any chance Porsche ups the speed of the front e-engine further after more reliability tests?

 

And it says that where in the article?

It's comments like these why this sucks. Quit trolling, yea?

 

Just read the article, so…

First, I was going to be very surprised if Steve wrote something better about the 918, having in mind all of his bulshtit from the beginning of this year (“faster everywhere, 5G”, etc…). Now he had to stretch his legs too much, knowing what other Medias wrote and mainly MEASURED…

Commenting his feelings is meaningless for me, because every person has different ones. He feels a car in one way, other journalists in another, customers in third way and so on… being objective, I respect how he “feels” these cars and have no problems with that at all…
The big problem of this test is the lack of ANY objective data, which is very, very strange and puts a lot of questions.

First, he is completely wrong about the weight of these two cars.

Second, lack of actual acceleration data put him in trouble. What does it mean “above 20” and “under 30”? Has he forgotten that the exact same 918 Spyder (S GO9184) was tested and MEASURED in AM und Sport, Auto Zeitung and Top Gear? Exact same car was absolutely consistent everywhere in the range of 17-19 sec for 0-300km/h. if someone thinks that 300-320 takes 12 seconds, better check his head. 

Third, stating that P1 brakes are better is funny, when exact same 918 outperformed P1 with 5 meters according to TG, which once again was MEASURED…

 

If anyone wants a hyper car for high speeds beyond 300km/h then Veyron ss is the fastest of all, it can easily defeated any car in the world, the reason of 918 acceleration after 300Km/h is the reason of why 918 is the Ring record holder, Porsche's goal was to create the most fastest hyper car at any track unlike P1 and Veyron, Sorry to say that but in witch race track you will go +300Km/h? Again ask you if you want the fastest top speed, veyron super sport is the right answer! and if you want a hyper car for defeating all rivals on the road and track then 918 is the most reliable answer!!
But but as Porsche said before 918 is more faster than Veyron SS till 300Km/h (AND FOR SURE FASTER THAN P1 TOO) and as Porsche said before again after 300Km/h Veyron SS will be faster(Veyron SS not P1)

 

An expert like Walter Röhrl with a lot of driving experience with both 918 and Veyron SS, Find 918 Faster than SS till 300Km/h and then SS will of course faster due to the its top speed and 1200hp,
But Veyron SS defeated P1 badly from 0-300Km/h
I am so sorry for Auto Car because of examples like 5G, P1 faster than F1 cars, and this last joke...

 

hootan,
is your friend with the 918 Mr. Alhashdi? Just curious...
greetings,

 

1. You're right that it probably doesn't take 12s to get from 186-200 mph, but it's definitely not that quick either. If you watch the speedo test someone put up, it's actually about 6-7s. Factor in the speedo error that's pretty typical at high speeds and you're likely around 9s already. 12s seems a bit slow, but the 918 isn't really that quick from 186-200.

It's down a 140hp and up 200-250lbs in weight on the P1 at those speeds. 762hp isn't really that much and the car isn't that light.

2. Stopping 5m sooner to 0 mph is not an indication of better. In fact stopping 5m sooner to 0 mph isn't even terribly relevant on a track. How often do you really need to slow down to near 0 mph on a track? It's a great measurement in terms of collision avoidance, though something tells me the guy behind you probably doesn't have 918 brakes too

One can have better brakes with worse braking distance to zero. Much like a sprint to 200mph isn't indicative of what happens from 0-175mph, a brake test to zero is not indicative of how the brakes feel to operate and/or how long they last.

I'd argue pedal feel and longevity are vastly more important than a 0mph brake test if you're looking at track performance. And, while this is merely what I heard, apparently the P1 brakes have amazing longevity. If 918 brakes a bit better but gets significantly shorter usage out of them, then stopping 5m sooner to 0mph isn't really that telling.

3. As for the weight, whatever. He says this, it's actually that. We know what they weight more or less and the difference is significant -- 200-250 lbs I think.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1963392&stc=1&d=1412843175

That brake claim is reminiscent of 5G to me!
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http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1963393&stc=1&d=1412843535
ok it is re post but for show to the right people the mclaren and autocar big lies
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Well go test them yourself if you don't believe what people say. Grab a VBOX and post your files to get them confirmed. I don't see why you pick and choose which sources to believe when all are quite reputable. It's not like you're comparing numbers from a blogspot page to the BBC. You have a bunch of rather reputable publications giving their opinions and tests. It is what it is.

If you don't like it, so be it

I know you'd like to poke holes in SS's credibility, but English is also clearly not your first language. It's was pretty obvious, at least to me, that SS saying 5g was him just regurgitating something he misheard/read in a press release. I'd think he would have caught that, but I guess he was just cutting and pasting facts, much like magazines do when they mention weights of cars they never actually weigh themselves or downforce that they've never been able to measure themselves.

It was also pretty obvious that no road car on Earth is as quick as an F1 car. He was merely trying to point out that it felt very fast and that it wasn't actually as fast as an F1 car.

 

On that same video the time is around 5-5,5 sec (300-320) in Sport mode (not the fastest one).

 

You might want to take a break?

So now, P1's MT test and Autocar's second test don't count, because it performed well? Hilarious you guys are.