Closed cockpits in F1

I was happy when they banned open cockpits in LmP1. They look so much more modern and technological now, more than f1s. Might be the fighter jet look opposed to the go-kart one.
How about introducing closed cockpits and active aero together, upping speeds too? I think it's inevitable.

 

Closed cockpits could mean bigger speeds allowed and more interesting gps on modern tracks

 

And add two more wheels for better safety.

 

+1 not at all it should be contemplated with an objective open assessment of F1 safety. Hardly a bad idea to at least review/assess this as an option. As a fan I see closed cockpits in many forms of racing. I noticed I didnt change the channel if the racing was good!

 

The size of F1 cars won't allow it. Just won't happen. There is no place to put a door of useable size. Have you ever seen, or sat in an open wheel racer?





Mark

 

F-16 style canopies have been used in power boat racing for years.
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Last time I checked, Claire Williams doesn't drive an F1 car.

-F

 

Sorry, didn't see your post previously...

 

Part of the problem with your so called "solution", aside from the fact that it chips away at the fundamental elements of an F1 car, is that it doesn't address the root causes of this crash and injury. It's a band-aid "solution" and a diversion.

I know Bianchi's speed, or lack of speed has been discussed. Has it been determined that Bianchi was driving the correct speed as determined by two yellow flags? It appears not but maybe he was.

And what of the flags? Were there two yellow flags at the time Bianchi reached that corner or were they replaced with green flags at that point?

And what of the car removal equipment and their deployment relative to the flags and the SC and other aspects of the scene?

And what about the weather conditions? How much did they play in this?

You see, there are so many more specific, relevant aspects of this that are side-stepped and not addressed by closed cockpits.

And lastly, out of all the use of open cockpit cars on any given weekend, in F1, in Indy, in F3, in Indy Lights, in privateers running F1 cars, and driving schools and clubs, how often are people injured due to the open cockpit? It seems to me, those type of injuries are rare.

-F

 

I don't think that canopies will improve safety and except this, it will change the look of todays F1 cars....

 

+1.

 

I believe that it is inevitable that canopies will come to F1.

It is not a new concept, having been tried by Brabham, Protos, and Cooper in the 1960's for streamlining purposes. From and aero standpoint, it would likely clean up air going over the cockpit to the rear wing. It might even be able to strengthen the torsional rigidity of the central portions of the chassis, an area where engineers hate, because they have to accommodate that squishy, delicate human bit. Having a hole in the middle of the car is always a problem....

Ironically, I don't believe that an enclosed cockpit would have helped Bianchi at all. A crash with enough energy to shear off the roll structure would have demolished a canopy as well.
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Oh my you really are grasping.

Sure, that counts for something.

HOWEVER

That doesn't address my points in the previous post. Specifically, closed cockpits don't address the root causes in this case.

Care to address that or are you going to simply repeat your lame claim of "it's anachronistic" as if that trumps all arguments.

-F

 

A side door? Seriously? I can not even begin to see how the driver could even get in the car if there was a door. go buy a toy model with all the internal plumbing and stuff on the side pods and try to engineer a door. would it be a 2 door model?

 

And in the case of the Bianchi crash, if there was a canopy- it would have broken up and who knows what more damage would have been done to him when it intruded the cockpit.

 

I truly hope Jules comes out of this in fantastic health. He's the only person with a stake in this discussion and I would love to ask him what he feels needs to change if anything.

 

Ultimate answer is to drive the cars remotely ...

Problem is not with the cars but the tractor being track side.
Pete

 

Again, what sort of structure would work?
To be strong enough it would have to be part of the tub not bolted on. At that point you probably need doors. We're looking at a major reinvention of F1 here. In effect a single seat LMP.

 

I mentioned this, no one responded.



Mark