Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I think you should be new Ferrari CEO
Your LMP1 car would be hybrid or diesel or only petrol?
I remember that you was disappointed that Laferrari don't have V8 turbo like P1, do you think Mclaren will also join Le Mans?

 

I don't think many people ever considered an Ultima GTR or Radical RXC a direct competitor to the Enzo and CGT or even the Veyron, so why is the Glickenhaus car being compared to the latest hypercar trio?

But now that it's been discussed, Jim, could you please list all the parts that will be changed for the road car to become a race car?

can you please compare it to the list of parts that were changed in your P4 for it to race or in a 250 GTO for example?

can you please also compare it to the parts changed in a current GT-class car?

What is your guesstimate of it's lap around the NR in full road trim? Will you do such test with third party verification?

Were there any bespoke new tech or new mechanical parts designed for your new car?

BTW, still waiting for that "we did it" 6:51 P4/5 C NS lap proof

 

We would build as a small manufacturer under the LMP1L rules. Lighter, unrestricted engine, more fuel allowed, no Hybrid.

We will add KERS and TERS to SCG 003 Road cars if customers want them on their cars. Base Road car engine will likely be TTV8 or TTW12, we're looking at both.
Road/Race conversion will be plug and play pre mounted into removable CF rear sub frame with 6 bolts. Road engine will be fully emissions compliant. Race version by regulation will weigh 2950, road much less. In race trim our goal is where the top teams run and to challenge for 1 OA. We will have at least a two car team at The 24 of Nurburgring. In road trim as we'll be much lighter and have a lot more HP even with street tires our NS goal is around 6:30. A 24 Lap is GP+ NS and the record combined race lap set by BMW (7:59) is about 1:30 GP/6:30NS for them. For higher downforce cars like P 4/5 C the ratio is different we're relatively faster on the NS, slower on the GP then BMW/Audi/Porsche/MB. With SCG 003 we hope to maintain downforce but have lower drag which should move us closer to them overall.

I do think McLaren will join Le Mans in 2016 with their 650 GT3 which as I understand it will then be Le Mans legal as will of course the next generation 458 GT3. GT3 is the direction Sportscar racing is heading IMO. Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren will all sell and have buyers race GT3's. While there may be semi works GT3 Teams IMO LMP1 will be where full factory teams compete. Hopefully Ferrari and McLaren will join Porsche in the top class with factory efforts. Personally I doubt any of these or other hybrid hypercars will ever race real races. SCG 003 will basically be GT3 except that it's unlikely we'll be able to sell the required 300 examples. At best I see around 24 over two years likely fewer. 2017 SGC LMP1L if it comes to be would be a development of SCG 003 using the same further developed race engine which is Honda Based, Developed by and badged SCG and our development partners.

 

Really? :-D. Boyy

I posted link to that video yesterday.

LaF is here quicker in 60-160 mph time than p918;-) by 1.25 sec.

Shocked?

Cheers,

 

Sorry, couldn't edit my previous post. NVM.

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And cited porsche's 60-160 time is 10sec dead. 1.25s is a Great Colorado Canyon gap.
Probably everybody can imagine how 918 will start losing above 174mph when its hp and torque figures collapse and its front engines use only as ballast.

PS. Without p1 and 918 this thread wouldn't be as fun as it is.

Cheers,

 

1200 hp All wheel drive Veyron killer, as long as it doesn't decouple that front engine over 160mph.

 

It's not 11mph anyway, it's 21.5mph. The front motor decouples at 164.5mph

 

False data and lies? What fake data and lies? Care to elaborate?

I'm not debating who makes what and who wins what. I'm saying you look like a moron for thinking it's relevant.

"Ferrari makes this engine and that is based on a Nissan. You lose cause Ferrari is the best!!!1111"

How many years have Nissan handed Ferrari their ass on the track with their road cars? 6 years now?

 

Before anyone make any judgement on Steve Sutcliffe, here is the review he wrote for the 918.

Porsche 918 Spyder Review | Autocar

For some reason this one is completely opposite to what he wrote on the recent P1-918 piece.

What a character.

 

False statement, P1 never regen, it RE-CHARGES using gasoline and engine power.

 

We both know that's just semantics.

 

That is absolutely inaccurate.

For at least the dozen-eth time in this thread, the McLaren P1 is capable of battery regen through recovery of kinetic energy - it just doesn't use the brakes to do so.

>8^)
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i know how you feeling now, just dont take it seriously man.

anything about Asterion??

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i'm a fan of japanese cars, my question is: why they won't make a hypercar like P1 or Laferrari?
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WTF, when i mentioned youtube videos for 0-300 they said: really? youtube vids?! but now youtube is their besty : )

 

Sorry bruh, we're just not as believable as the Maven and the Igor and the Glickenhaus, etc.

 

Supposedly the next GT-R is going to be a "toned down version" of their Vision Gran Turismo car.

 

P1 has an MGU so it recovers kinetic energy under braking.

So many ppl (incorrectly) associate regenerative braking as the only form of KERS. Its not.

 

Because its not as easy to sell a $1m cars under those brands. They can sell some, but not as many as they'd need to, especially at the same time as everyone else. Can't have 10 $1m cars on the market at once.

They can probably accomplish the same things for a lot less too if they package it in a 250k car. No need to package it in a $1m car when you can package it in a GTR. Remember, race cars based on cheap road cars are way quicker than these unique hyper cars. Even modest sport cars have extremely capable platforms.

I predict in 2-3 years there will be a low 7min NR GTR available for 150k without the compromises of the Nismo today.

In 5 years p1 LF and 918 well be eclipsed for a fraction of the price.

 

Today Nissan could make a 6:50 car for under $250K. There's just no market for it and there's some politics.

918 copies many things Nissan developed years ago. I know the GT-R very well.

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I am sure there are other ways to recover kinetic energy in other applications but in the context of these 3 cars, how else do they recover kinetic energy outside of MGU brake regen?

 

I believe the only other method employed is regenerative braking.

In f1 they use MGU-H which recovers heat energy but none of the 3 are using it.

 

They are one and the same thing frefan. Regenerative braking happens in the MGU, nowhere else. The MGU (or e-motor) is the heart of the KERS used in Formula 1, the P1, LaF, and the 918. It's a kinetic to electric KERS.

There is only one other type of KERS used in automobiles - a kinetic to mechanical system that employs a flywheel. I believe one of the LMP1 teams (Audi I think) uses this type of KERS.

 

The Veyron is still quoted as the benchmark across most automotive publications and forums; i.e., "It's faster than a Veyron; It has better power-to-weight than a Veyron," etc. It is just now being truly dethroned and soundly beaten in the eyes of normal enthusiasts, and it's 10 years old.

We're getting deep into the law of diminishing returns. I am anxious to see EVO's test of the One:1. Basic forward traction will soon become an issue, even with "torque filling" and space-age electronics. I think that acceleration figures are about to hit a wall. A 9-second quarter mile time for a production street car is an absolutely insane figure given that none of these cars is set up for drag racing.

I think it will take much longer than 5 years to truly dethrone the current big 3.

 

brake regen can also happen in a mechanical flywheel system used in f1. Called flybrid or something like that. Iirc partnered with magnetti marelli, so perhaps laf are using that in addition to the mgu-k that porsche and mclaren are using.

 

It's only quoted with respect to straight line acceleration. Its pretty meh in every other metric. Also, the performance isn't even that hard to achieve if acceleration is the only goal. Far lighter cars can create 1000hp easily if that was really the only goal.

 

Sorry no. Brake regen is electrical braking. The flywheel KERS is a mechanical system and it isn't used in F1 and LaF.