Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Here, here, my point is all are great cars, but the easiest to make faster is the boosted P1, because we can up the boost etc.

Anyway, each to their own, I dont know why that dude was crying over me making a point. Am I meant to wait until I have 1000 posts to make a valid argument.

I like to mess with all of my cars and over the years have gone from being staunch supporter of N/A cars. Now I prefer turbos, either way it is all good fun and as a car lover first I have no allegiances any which way to a brand.

 

same day same track, 918 was quicker in both EVO and TG test. EVO 1.5 sec. TG 0.7 sec. Another point, P1 was built to have no equal, to have plenty in 'reserve'. It shouldn't need any 'same day same track/conditions' qualifications. Even on a bad day, it was meant to comfortably shade especially 918. Hope vs Reality is much much different indeed. 918 traction out of corners, its mechanical grip in all directions, simply cannot be understated, and that's why it is so quick around any track. Also, if you were aware of 918's crazy power curve, you wouldn't be the least surprised by its midrange punch..800+ 3rd gear all the way to 944lb ft in seventh. In top gear, even from 1000rpm, the car just rockets forward.

 

I would of never guessed that you felt that way Scuderia. Still, where are the printed numbers? where are the videos? If you can use hearsay for track times then we can use hearsay for the ring times. You can't have it both ways.

 

Faster to a certain distance or faster to a certain speed?

In the EVO video, it took the P1 almost the whole mile just to catch up and pass the 918, it is playing catch up from the start. One can be faster to a certain distance but slower in speed.

 

Once you have 1,000 posts people know that you have lots of time to waste and not much better to do with your life than talk to the internet, so they tend to take you much more seriously

Back in the 90s seemed like the only cars with balls that could make any power were ones with turbos, and anything NA that was quick was just coming out or had a big V10 or V12 in it. I don't think anybody could really complain about an F40 or a 993 Turbo, but they had their faults, and the power delivery these days is tremendously more linear and usable by comparison.

 

Like the EVO 'BS' called by you folks in denial (Cultists simply would not accept that the two cars were timed h2h at Anglesey, and in fact 918 was comfortably quicker), you won't like the TG results either. It is what it is. lets put it this way... A LOT more people are privy to the EVO and TG results (people in the car journo biz talk, even if they live across ponds) vs the super special select 5 dudes who know the 'real' Ring time for P1 (which btw, I know to be 6:37...but I'll let that one shake out when more folks out of the special 5 dudes are given data and video to look at for REALZ)

EVO has the numbers, they have the video, but it's up to them when the agreement for release will happen (previous date tentatively given has long come and gone). Maybe we can bug Harry and Jethro again on twitter, so they can confirm for the 1000th time that 918 beat P1. Even if it takes 6 months for data in print (at which point YOU will 'know' and be satisfied (prob not, as then there will inbuilt excuses as well), it still won't change the fact that 918 comfortably beat P1. Ask them again.

TG has the numbers, they have the video...which rest of the free world will see in second episode of forthcoming series 22. In Spain, 918 outran, outbraked, outhandled, outgripped P1. BUT, conclusion P1 still considered slightly more 'exciting' by virtue of its extroverted personality. And the better track choice, which is same conclusion as EVO. It was more 'alive' though not as stable and confidence laden as 918, It has massive 'theatre' where 918 was simply only just great in that regard...'theatre' that seems to be the sexy word among Brit journo's at the moment.

 

yes, as is the case with elapsed time vs trap speed in 1/4mile for example. 918 is simply more 'efficient' from the get go, but P1 starts to catch at the end...at which point it is then travelling at a greater speed. at a 'beep beep beep' from a stop light, for a 1/2 mile drag, I know which one I'd take. And it's the car that will have a picture of it taken in front of BC Place in not too long!

 

Of course. I think you meant the Autocar video...;-).

 

After 120mph-130mph the P1 will outtake the 918 easy.

The video wasn't a surprise to me.

From a roll the P1 will blast away within an eye blink.

My own experience with both same day and not the best weather specially for FI.

Mbn

 

And you know that everyone likes to drive their P1 at or above 130 mph (or was it 180) to make all of this more than a pointless argument. Sorry officer I know I was doing 186 mph in a 55 but I really did have to prove my car could accelerate faster than a 918. Hell even most tracks are not designed for sustained speeds above 180, a few have straights where that might be possible for a second or 2. That leaves only banked ovals or drag strips for speeds like that, and that's hardly worth $1 million USD, is it? But then 90% of these will be bought by poseurs so maybe I am missing the point.

The arguments are getting a little pointless, me thinks you all do protest a might to much.

 

Bruce mclaren would be disappointed in you

 

Tum Funn - good points, the 918 is a very clever car, designed to beat 99.9% of regular cars on any road and track except a P1 and a tuned Gt2RS................. but lets be honest above 80 mph it is a slug, I mean a proven real slug... the 60-100 mph times I am seeing from friends with vbox are 2.7-2.85 seconds... shoot a tuned 997 FBO is quicker and a 996 TT with alpha 28s is in the 2.3 sec range.. and above 100 it get worse

My cousin was on this design team, smart guy, smart people but, at the end of the day, the marketing people won the design decisions...

P1 the engineers won, the LaF I have no idea, but I have measured some times from vmax200 and a mate who has one.... 0 - 85 mph you take the 918, 85-120 you go Laf, 0 - 215 or on a 1.5 min plus track and the P1 destroys souls.

 

And you are absolutely correct sir.

 

Who races from a roll? Everyone start from rest. Other than to negate the launch advantage of a certain car. But then again launch characteristics are part of a car's DNA, so if one car launches poorly, then it should be noted and penalized.

Outside of NASCAR, every single race series from rally to F1 starts from rest, tut's good enough for me.

For my own driving experiences, I spent more time between 0-140mph in a street car, that's the most important metric for me, if you spent more time between 140-200mph than 0-140mph, then the highest end of the envelope will be more important metric for you.

 

And who race from a rest on a track after each corner ?!!!

And I guess you not familiar with roll on tests even so I don't advocate such act publicly i used this method back then when I raced tuned and turbo Hayabusas with my modified cars it really shows the real power outputs and acceleration go do a 60-130 run and report back.

If you like the 918 so be it it's a fantastic car and as I mentioned earlier i would bought one if I didn't go the Laferrari route.

But fact is and my experience with both its not as fast or as agile or fun as the P1 on track and street.

I wont argue back and forth it's useless to me anyway.

Mbn

 

has anyone seen any real world races between a laferrari and these other cars? everything seems to focus on the p1 vs 918.

 

I have an important question from McLaren?
As all people know that the Mclaren 650 is a newer model than P1(650 revealed after P1)
But the question is, why Mclaren give a 650 to Sportauto easily for their very professional test, but refusing to give a P1 for sportauto super test?
Easy answer, It was because McLaren was worried about one very important part of that test, "Nurburgring"

 

The more logical answer is that all the P1s are sold out and they couldn't care any less so as to ship a car in Germany.

 

They don't need to. Why send them a car to test it on the 'Ring and record a slow as lap time as seen with the 918? Doesn't make sense.

 

They can ship one of their prototypes like in British magazines tests.

 

Sportauto's super test is the most reputable test in the world so far, please be assured that
your point of view is not so important for example 918 as the Nurburgring Record Holder achieved 6:57 and there is not so important if Sportauto achieved 7:13(in one try without traffic, and not in full attacking style) for example if P1 real record is 7:04, then a 7:21 is ok for P1 by sportauto,
At the time 918 achieved so many records at sportauto super test, records such as First place
at Nurburgring lap time, first place at Hockenheimring , First place with a big margin at 0-200-0 etc...(several other records)

 

I have always enjoyed reading Sport Auto Supertest, because they go through every aspect of the car, from acceleration to aerodynamics. It would be interesting to see how P1's downforce number stack up on Sport Auto's Supertest, and compare it to the 918 (for reference) and see their feedback on the P1's track performance on the Ring. Even though the 918's Sport Auto Ring lap time didn't come close to Porsche's number, it is still a very informative test overall and Porsche isn't afraid of letting publications test their cars. Most certainly, Porsche does not send a team of engineers to each major publication tests (ie. Evo, Autocar, Sport Auto), they just throw them the keys and let them go wild with the car.

 

It looks like British magazines are best in testing British cars and German magazines -are best in testing german cars

Anybody surprised?

W8ing for LaF.

 

And the higher torque and traction advantage of the 918 is going to have the upper hand for low and mid speed corner exits, the P1's advantage doesn't show until the high speed corner exits.

But one thing we can agree on, we both going for a LaFerrari, you give up a 918 to do it while I give up a P1.

 

%100 agree, thanks, I appreciate you very much!