Yes and no in this case, no as in I'll make my own mind regardless, and I 'am not one eyed, and No! I won't melt down believe me, <read the first line again. However yes as in I agree with the highlighted bit. If one of them DNF's that will be the game changer IMO. And you love doing what you do on here, and we know what that is
You're explaining Troil? If the championship turns on DP most fans will do the math and know what the result would have been. In some minds should have been. But that's not what will be in the record book. That isn't the most insidious thing about DP though. It's what it says about the callow and morally corrupt way that the stewards of the sport excerise their responsibility.
There's no logic here to respond to. You're misunderstanding or misinterpreting what I write to fit your paradigm. Whatever that may be.
What doesn't? It's easier for me to stomach it when a team or a driver "bends" the rules to their advantage than it is when those expressly charged to protect its integrity do.
I'm one of the most logical people on here... If I'm misunderstanding or misinterpreting you then please explain. All I ask is for you to tell me why double points is unfair but the other stuff (imbalance of car failures and team mate taking other mate out) aren't unfair? Or do you believe they are both unfair? I'm not asking much...
Whenever any discussion requires any intellectual debate we lose you. A throw away comment is all I've come to expect from you
I make this promise right now and in public......... if ever you post something that's intellectual and logical, I'll do my very very best to join in the conversation. Until that happens, I'll just keep laughing at you.
LOL you're the best thing to happen to fchat for years. Most laughs in ages. Why anyone would block you is beyond me.
Can someone help with stats? Just for fun, how many 2nds does it take? Something like... Lewis 9 wins and 4 DNF's Nico 4 wins but 9 2nd place finishes? Reminds me of when F1 was trying to come up with a system to make sure guy with most wins got the title
You guys can hate on me all you like but in a debate with proper parameters where you can't just dodge my points with snide remarks I guarantee most of you would lose lol. Lucky for you that you can sidestep any discussion by insulting me. I put this hypothetical to anyone who wants to answer: if Lewis DNF in Abu dhabi and nico wins the championship will you guys consider than an unfair result? How about if the same scenario took place but there were no double points and nico won because of it?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate you. You're clearly just some 15yo who has just started watching F1 and are a bit star struck. There's hope for you, I'm sure. I'm pretty sure you'll find that's already been answered. I've never read anyone say anything other than the double points thing sucks....no matter who wins....and if they win because of it, sure, it's their title, but it will always be somewhat tarnished. However, it is what it is...it's the same for everyone.....and as much as it sucks, whoever wins, wins. To answer your question, if Lewis breaks down and gives Nico the championship, then that's too bad for Lewis, just like it would be too bad for Nico the other way around. My only issue is the double points thing....cars breaking down have often determined championships.
That is because you have a very subjective logic and no objective. You just take the parameters that suit your opinion and completely ignore all the others. This has absolutely nothing to do with "logic"...People are getting tired to explain things to you as you just ignore that and start two post later with exactly the same biased points... What you still did not understand is the fact that F1 is not just about the drivers and whether it is their fault or not but about a team sport. If your favourite driver does a DNF it is not "unfair" but someone in the team did a mistake, be it the driver with a driving error or a mechanic because he did not fit something according to plans. In case you get some parts that are fault it is a question of quality control and at the end it is "good or bad luck" whether this is in yours or your team mates car. Bad luck is not "unfair" as that could happen to everyone but this is, will and was part of the game. Sitting there and pretending the world is unfair because of that is childish. Or to answer you question: if Nico wins the WDC because of a DNF in the last race the result might not correspond their abilities over the seasons and Hamilton might be at odds with fate but it is not "unfair".
I think what I've been trying to say has been misconstrued somehow. I take umbrage at the hypocrisy of some of the posters positions. Obviously this is a nico vs Lewis thread so inherent in any comparison is a discussion of race results. On the previous page somebody mentioned that Lewis has 9 wins to nicos 4 (majority of which were aided by Lewis DNF/poor qualy position). This is a similar argument to one I've been mentioning all season long. Now these people respond to this by embracing a logic along the lines of "coulda woulda shoulda. Whoever has the most points at the end of the season is the rightful winner". If we look at the essence of this argument it bases legitimacy and worthiness solely on the number of points. Yet these same posters also say that if the double points changes the outcome of the season they will suddenly ignore the points they value so dearly and calculate the rightful champion based on regular points for the last race as opposed to double points. So if we contrast the difference in approaches. I take a substantive approach that looks at the substance of the results and sees them for more than they are (by analysis of the race itself you can ascertain who drove better and is thus the more deserving winner). The deriders have essentially created a diversionary argument; they refuse to address the substance of all of my arguments simply by saying the rightful winner has the most points, you create your own luck, it's the history books that matter etc etc. This approach is somewhat illogical and lacks substance in all forms aside from an ideological basis (ie points are all that matter). But the moment they selectively go away from that they are being hypocritical. Suddenly it's not just points that matter...despite the FIA setting the rules from the start of the season and everybody entering with the knowledge that there is double points for the last race. When it suits them they are fine with modifying the metric which they have used to undergird their entire argument in the first place. The point is substance does matter. It helps determine who did the best job and "deserves" the championship. Isn't that what the drivers championship is meant to determine? Who was the "best" driver that year? Obviously it is inherently tied to the constructors championship because you do need a good car to win. Interesting to note that senna wouldn't have won one of his titles if total points were used instead of top 11 race results. I think if Lewis doesn't win this year there is something fundamentally flawed with the system. 9 wins is a lot. Winning every race (bar one) that you started in a good position and finished is an amazing feat. As for nico, finishing BEHIND his team mate for every race (bar one) that they both finished and started in a comparable grid position. But apparently none of that matters...it's just the points that matter right?
Who did you get to write that for you? It's written too well to be you, but the logic is so poor that it can't be anyone else. What a paradox.
Toil you're obviously a well educated and well spoken person, but your immaturity and subjective views are what we all find annoying about you.
Paradox eh? Guess you learnt a new word today Peter. Funny how you always infer I'm stupid when you post with a level of barbarism rivalling a one armed ape. Then again you are Australian... Subjective at times. I may let slide Lewis missing the braking point in one corner on one lap in one race now and again in my analysis (for eg) but those people in the kimi sucks thread are something else. They somehow come up with excuses for every lap of every race and every qualy session. There are worse than me on here that's for sure...
I doubt that being true... No matter if true or not, it's no excuse for your behaviour. And besides that they contain their stuff to one thread as you mention. You think your enlightened existence must be spread over every thread every day always the same topic. Why don't you just stay in here? Then we all know there is that one thread we can avoid and live happily ever after. And you can rant on and jerk off and construct your funny arguments and you can eaven upload your paintings of Hambone walking on water if you please... But stay in here, please.
