You really do know nothing and now you're getting butthurt about it. You have no idea who Francois Cervert really was, and i know that because you stated in the thread about him that you had no idea who he was. He was Jackie's protege. He learned from him and had the pace to beat him, but would stay on his tail and not pass. There weren't many "Great" cars back then. They all had reliability issues. You use Keke Rosberg as your example of 2nd rate drivers getting lucky and winning. How many other examples can you come up with? What other statistics is Lewis winning at? Please enlighten us with all your great knowledge of the sport. I provided my stats, you provided podiums. What else?
Also the current drivers have stated that the cars this year are much less physically demanding to drive, even Max Vestappen said that he would not be able to make the jump to Formula 1 if had been back in the early 2000s because the cars were much more physically demanding to drive. I am very thankful that the sport is not near as dangerous as in the past, but as many have stated here it is difficult to compare eras due to differences in the cars, safety, reliability and the tracks. I agree that it is easier to rack up more wins and points than before if a driver is in a top car due to the great reliabity, number of races in a season and the longevity many of the top drivers careers have because it is much safer.
OK, as it gets longer and longer I do not want to reply on everything otherwise we will end up in writing a second part of "War and Peace" and most is repeating anyway.. What obviously means that your knowledge is only based on theory. Those drivers doing that since they are kids and all of them have a different driving style, I bet just from the datas on the conning tower experts could tell you who drove this lap. Cars have different characteristics and one suits one driving style better than the other. Normally it is easier to adjust a car to the needs of the driver than the other way round as these are automatism that are not changeable from one day to the other. Obviously now with the very strict limitations and the missing testing it is not that easy to adjust the car anymore and some drivers have trouble with that. It is just like the Benneton of Schumacher when he switched to Ferrari: Both Alesi and Berger were surprised about that car as it was only developed to the needs and the driving style of Schumacher and hardly anyone else was able to drive it... No, they do not do that more ofter because it is penalized, that easy is the answer No, Hamilton was not cruising, Hamilton was two times off the track as everybody could see on TV so he was certainly not "comfortable following". You are constructing a race in your head that never happened that way, what reason do I need that there is actually nothing to discuss about. Please only look on the amount of people you are "fighting" here. You seem the be the guy listen to the radio when they are talking about a wrong-way driver still thinking he is the only person driving the right way...You joined in April to "FerrariChat" and all you seem to post is about Hamilton, as soon as someone just mentions the name "Hamilton" you are here like someone said "Jehovah". You say that your opinion is common everywhere outside this forum so one might ask what the reason for your registration was? Are you here on a missionary crussade? If you do not have blinkers I do not know who has... But you have understood that we have more races today than we ever had before? It is much easier to win 30 races today than it was in every decade before, when Sir Jackie raced they had half of the amount of races so to look at the statistics the way you look is just another proof of making things suitable to your oppinion... That said I think we can stop right here as it is easy to see that this leads to exactly nothing...As soon as Hamilton has won his WDC you will spam the forum with your praises, the unlikely cause he doesn´t you will whine how unfair life is...I think we have to deal with that
Unfortunately, the toil quote showed up above your numbers; +1 In addition to being, as Aircon so eloquently notes, 'a one eyed fanboy', he's obviously not much of a statistician/mathematician either.... Rough math to try and educate; JYS won 27% of the races he started. Jimmy won 35% of the races he started. (& pretty much broke down in the others, or he'd have won those as well.) Hammy is at about 20%, which is a hell of a good record, but from *many* more starts and in an era where there's twice as many GP's every year. Claiming Hammy is (as yet) even fit to carry Jimmy or JYS' jock shows a level of ignorance that beggars belief IMO. That he didn't even know who Francois was just confirms the ignorance. And I can't believe I just got tempted into responding. Ian
I must book a appointment at the opticians .... that can't be right can it!!!!! nevermind... am wasting bandwidth here, obviously
I have nothing against Hamilton. I never did and I hope for his sake he wins although for my sake he loses just so i can rub it in the fanboys faces. I have something against fanboys. I argued with the Vettel fanboys last year. I also tend not to get involved in the back and forth, but saying Hamilton was the best british driver really got under my skin.
+1 He's a damn fine driver. But to claim he's the 'best British driver ever' shows a level of ignorance of the sport that is (just one of) the reasons that he's on ignore..... Ian
Did I say that...? however basing your opinion or hoping for that is, IMO a rather schoolboy playground error, because it is a silly blinkered opinion. Other than that you are knowingly stating and creating inflammatory posts. Now you see where I'am coming from, can we continue
It was stated that Hamilton is the "winningest British driver", which is technically correct, but it was also compared to the stats of Stewart & Clark (clearly not by you). I think that from there the argument melted into 'Hamilton is not the best British driver in F1 history'. Personally (and I think you and I agree), I think it's a fruitless task to compare today's drivers to the pioneers of the modern era. Things were very different in the 60's & 70's. "Greatness" is really only relevant to the era you raced in. Ham is certainly one of the best in this current era of F1. He has a chance to further cement his legacy if he goes on to win this year's WDC.
Certainly "best British driver ever" is silly.... makes no sense to have the limiting term British in there. Also he's Monacoian... British was two nationalities ago.
Spot on Thx B. Yes I did jump into the seemingly endless and fruitless exercise of debating on here the inherent talents of Hamilton, however to me a quote saying "Hamilton has not yet proved himself"....well yer know... what's he gotta do, take it to the moon and back with a caravan in tow, and still get on the podium
well isn't he getting there? Time reveals the great. Hamilton has always been fast. Now he is increasingly getting rid of his temptation to crash (although he has had lucky escapes in Hungary and multiple of these in Germany). While is maturing there, he seems to maintain his pace. This season he has thus far shown to handle immense pressure well. So yes, I'd say he is on a good track : )
I still like the simplest logic best - 9 wins for Lewis vs 9 2nd place finishes for Rosberg. Yet we still have those arguing that Rosberg is the more deserving champion this season? (And that is what makes this thread so interesting to follow)
+1...I've been very impressed with his maturity this season. I think his best days are still to come.
Quote-Originally Posted by toil View Post I know you guys love to look at stats; Hamilton is the most successful British driver in history. His results are way up there with the "gods" of the sport and he isn't half done yet. I thought you said that results speak for themselves? Apparently not eh?-Quote Doesn't say winningness. Says most successful in history. How do you define success? You think a guy with 1 WDC is among the elite and best? James Hunt is a favorite of mine, but he's not in the elite either.
Can you show me where? Whoever has the most points, hopefully not because of the double points race, deserves to win. That feeling is well documented. Are you another lewis fanboi who can't accept that not caring which driver wins does NOT equal a lewis hater? It's people like you, toil and krafty who are making so many people on here turn on Lewis.
Agreed, that temptation being, he wanted to blow the doors of every Tom Dick and Harry in front of him, without looking at the bigger picture, more than one way to skin a cat ect.. +1 Can't argue with that. +1 Nor this, might as well close the thread
Then you didn't understand it. I'll explain it to you later. I'm just about to have a non pod coffee.
Pete, I know you're an awkward sod, whoops non pod coffee drinker, and that's where we differ, so I'll join ya bottoms up . Image Unavailable, Please Login
