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Shady scud ebay listing?

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  1. AlgaeHater

    AlgaeHater Formula Junior

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    No mention in the listing that the scud is missing all four ceramic discs!

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    At only 14K miles, this car must have been in an accident (where the discs were compromised) or was tracked heavily.
     
  2. bart12

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    How did you find out it had no CCB?
     
  3. Lfpontes

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    I also noticed only from looking at the pictures. It's quite easy to distinguish between a CCB disc brake and a regular steel rotor.
     
  4. bart12

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    At only 14K miles, this car must have been in an accident (where the discs were compromised) or was tracked heavily.[/QUOTE]

    Or

    Owner did not put it back on trading it.
     
  5. freshmeat

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    owner / rental company must've thrashed it on the track.
     
  6. HH11

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    Interior looks perfect for it being a possible rental car.

    There is more than one reason why the owner could've swapped the brakes.

    Otherwise the car looks clean.
     
  7. ferrari#7

    ferrari#7 Formula Junior

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    What do you think of this car?
     
  8. MaranelloDave

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    I agree. No reason to assume this car has been abused.
     
  9. freshmeat

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    The tech fabric center is indestructonium, a main factor why personally i opted for full tech-fabric seats vs the alcantara combo seats which fades over use and/or exposure to the sun and also gets this sheen from wear...it looks butt ugly.

    I don't think there is a good reason why the owner would not have included the stock CCM parts in the sale if indeed nothing sinister has happened to them and the car? The CCM setup is $6,900 a corner last I recall...
     
  10. MaranelloDave

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    We just don't know. From what I understand, CCMs don't last long with track use. This is not to say, however, that the car was abused. These cars were actually intended for taking to the track.

    Seems like folks around here take the "guilty until proven innocent" approach on many cars offered for sale.
     
  11. Russell996

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    Seat centres in this car are 3D fabric not Technical fabric - I've not seen any Scuds with Technical fabric in the seat centres.
     
  12. ARTNNYC

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    #12 ARTNNYC, Oct 21, 2014
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    This could be one of the cars used at that exotic car track rental service called Exotics Driving Experience. They used them at Daytona and Orlando Speedways and if I remember correctly they removed the ceramic discs and replaced them with steel.

    PS: They have a Gallardo Superleggera for sale and its ceramic discs have been removed also.
     
  13. SCEye

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    when spending nearly $200K on a car (or on anything, as it should be), due diligence is wise. When something suspicious arise, it's natural to wonder what the reason for this is.

    If a car's front fender doesn't have the same paint as the rest of the car and the seller conveniently not mention it, wouldn't you ask why?
     
  14. MaranelloDave

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    Due diligence is warranted but it seems like people always just assume the worst. Again, we don't know what the situation is so there's no reason to jump to conclusions. While I don't care what happens with this car, it's this negativity that concerns me as a one day seller of my Ferrari.
     
  15. freshmeat

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    It's spun w the same material.
     
  16. Russell996

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    I'm surprised, feels very different - very soft feel for the 3D fabric and almost canvas like for the Technical fabric.
    No doubt Ferrari would choose a strong yarn for both the 3D fabric seat centers and also for the Technical fabric bolsters as they both get a lot of wear.
     
  17. freshmeat

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    Ya, the coating and weave are different to give that somewhat less slippery and more cushy feel for the buttocks =)
     
  18. SCEye

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    put yourself in the buyers' shoes. Buying an expensive and finding something a little off about the product can make you suspicious too. The seller should address this issue in the product description.
    not a $1000 issue but $25,000 issue makes a person a little jumpy.
     
  19. MaranelloDave

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    I have been in those shoes, obviously, and, as I said, I agree that it pays to investigate and get the facts. Here, however, people simply make conclusions based on nothing. For example, someone above said "this car must have been in an accident." Someone else said "owner / rental company must've thrashed it on the track." And we know these things how?
     
  20. SCEye

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    a little tangent here. I read about this a while back. It's human nature to assume an unknown to be dangerous.

    If there's rustles in the bush, could be a tiger or could be simply wind.
    If you assume tiger and are wrong, no biggie. Live another day.
    If you assume wind and wrong, Darwin - ie no offsprings.

    therefore people come to assume suspicious things are bad. It's best to be that way.
     
  21. MaranelloDave

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    Yes, best to just always assume something negative. Sorry, I'm not worried about any tigers and I'm not going to live my life always assuming the worst for no reason.

    And for the record, these comments weren't made by skeptical buyers, they were made by your typical forum guys (like me). This isn't careful prudence, it's just the typical kneejerk negative response.
     
  22. freshmeat

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    MaranelloDave obviously didn't get the circa 2000 internet memo:
    "You are guilty until proven innocent."

    Welcome to 2000 brotha.
     
  23. MaranelloDave

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    Yeah, that's what I'm on about. I don't mean to call anyone out. I just get tired of the constant rush to (negative) judgment. Sigh, I guess that's what the internet is about to some extent.

    Worst ... thread ... ever!
     
  24. AlgaeHater

    AlgaeHater Formula Junior

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    I'm saying the listing is shady because the car is missing $20K+ in parts and there's no mention in the listing. Also, can you think of a reason besides an accident or heavy track use where an owner would swap out the ceramic rotors for steel ones? I can't.
     
  25. galt

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    #25 galt, Oct 21, 2014
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    Checked the dealers site. Looks like the car is sold. As per the post immediately above this one. Essentially asking price equates to about 180K for a scud with about 15K miles if you add back approx value of CCMs. Wonder what it sold for and wonder what the explanation was for lack of CCMs.
     

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