Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Another bold claim, It seems you do not know that the 918 is still sold out now!
Weissach Livery? did you mean Martini Livery or Salzburg Livery?
Hey Man Weissach Pak is not a racing livery!

 

Congrats to Porsche for a master stroke of engineering. Not crazy about the styling but an awesome machine nonetheless.

 

hmm, just an example: what about the last H2H versus Ducati in Autocar mag at page 45?!

 

P1 ring time is no joke.

At least for me ! Wait until you see it.

Sadly some needs to wait that long .

Mbn

 

Pathetic? No. That would be cultists drowning in denial. FYI Porsche 'underrates' EVERY car they make. It's their ethos. It's so much better than making claims and failing to live up to them. Don't ya think? Downsides...it would be even more devastating in performance if it was 200-300lbs lighter. But given current tech vs cost/performance acceptable to Porsche, 3650lbs is pretty respectable.

 

either keep up or stay out of the conversation. that's the same thing he's talking about. you confuse very easily. eesh!

 

the whole world is waiting. joke or no joke. let me set this one up for everyone:

Cultists: the P1 might not be as fast as 918 on 'regular' race tracks, or on the road, but it is king of the Ring! blah blah blah blah...

 

massive mechanical, road translatable grip. not a slave to aero grip only. although downforce is plenty... 650lbs at 165+ mph. as is, it has tremendous grip going into, through, and out of corners.

that said, I heard a rumor that a large fixed wing, and a much bigger front splitter will be available for those folks that track the car a lot, those who want even more aero grip. again, just a rumor through local dealer network here.

 

I'm not going to argue say whatever you like it's the Internet and you free to do so..

Just keep in mind some knows way more than you think.

Do I need to say everything no, do I know almost everything yes as simple as that.

Carry on with the 918 it's a fantastic car anyway.

Mbn

 

It will mean nothing.

It would prove that whatever car McLaren sent to ring is not customer car but ringer with higher boost, power, tyres etc which Porsche could have done with 918 (considering sport auto did 7:18 with 918 supertest).


Meanwhile independent magazine tests keep confirming that 918 is faster around track.

 

You have 2 ways of doing things right:

1. Ferrari way- We are Ferrari and you either buy our car or you don't.

2. Porsche way- Under promise and over deliver. We are not afraid of anybody and we are confident behind our product. Come rain or shine, we will battle it out with anyone, regardless of the outcome.

Honestly, had Mclaren released the ring lap time like they originally promised, not pulled out of the Top Gear comparison test with the 918 (Dunsfold track) and allowed magazines to release their track test results without delay, (eg. Evo, Top Gear magazine) then none of these arguments on these forums would even exist.

 

My take on these comparisons is driver limitation. The Porsche should be easier to find the limits with. Much easier considering the 4wd, aws and how the hybrid kicks in. The McLaren imo, will need a more skilled driver to reach its peak. I wonder with the wet lap times of that test shown in the last pages, if the McLaren has more treaded tires? Even if not, perhaps the tire is more suited toward road usage than the tires on the Porsche? I think its pretty well known that the Pirelli tire is not quite as good as Michelin. The latter may be the best there is. Why did Mac go Pirelli anyway? The F1 connection?

 

Almost as if Mclaren orchestrated a fan-based internet forum PR drive with much confidence and bluster only to be surprised by the competition before deciding to cut clean and leave its internet rah rah boys with nothing but words to bolster their arguments.

It's been hinted that Mclaren may give the P1 a power boost, a move that coming so soon indicates acknowledgement of a performance deficit vs the competition. A bump in max boost could easily accomplish that, improving straight line speed but not response/drivability (hence lap times) IMO. A bump in e-motor output would be infinitely better.

However bad (PR wise) this turned out, I still applaud Mclaren for producing such a great car and wish them more success as a supercar manufacturer.

 

And Remember, Evo threw McLaren a bone, stating the P1 would be better on it's tires on a track, when some of us here even doubted that (due to 918 0.5 force of regen braking).

Well, I guess this proves that Evo was wrong with that one as well, as many of us expected.

 

So it has been written: Autocar, basically did a fair test, but that old Sly One (being polite here), Steve Sutcliffe, couldn't resist having his moment of "Ahem", questionable Theater, to save face from his previous statements??

 

The fact that Autocar made a point to mention the 918 did everything on one set of tires, let's you know (in a British, Protect McLaren kind of way), that the P1 did not.

 

all 5 of you special dudes aren't the only one's that 'know' of the Ring time. I was told several weeks ago. I will wait to actually see the video and go through the data before I completely believe it. That's what a normal human being would do...actually see if it can be verified somehow. meanwhile, Porsche couldn't give two shts and sends cars to do H2H everywhere. and guess what, it's 918 3 for 3.

 

I called it. It was inevitable that someone will bring up the whole 'P1 needs more skilled driver' to get maximum out of it'. Stop. Just STOP! Last time I checked hot shoes at EVO are pretty darn good, same with TG, same with AC. How about this, so the excuses will stop (errr probably not) We will have Lieb drive 918, and Goodwin drive P1. Back to those 3 tracks we go. Results will be the same trend even though raw times will be different. Then we can move on to: 'wait until P1 gets Trofeo R's', wait until 918 gets real 'Cup' tires, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.....

Don't even think about using the tire excuse: ie. the Michelin is a better tire than the Pirelli..P1 developed with that tire. Toe to Toe. No, that's not it. What IS IT, is 918 is a monster, even with a low rolling resistance road optimized tire. As for the wet track result, well, that 'could' be down to 918 using only one set of tires for the entire test. But that's just a guess.

 

It's not 'standard' practice to use only one set of tires for the entire battery of tests when cars are in for instrumented testing, especially when track tests are part of it. nevertheless it's 918 3 for 3. And yes, reading in between the lines, just like the 'polite' EVO wording in that H2H (ie. P1 doesn't 'outmaneuver' 918) reveals things too.

 

As I also mentioned: It probably indicates, that the P1 doesn't burn tires better, as EVO threw a bone to McLaren, and indicated during their H2H. Some of us here doubted that (due to 918 0.5 G's of regenerative braking, despite it's weight). But we all knew Evo had to throw the P1 some questionable bones. Cause most of the concrete ones were already taken/won by the 918.

 

No no no...Porsche sent a ringer, the 918 used for the test actually had Nitrous system and hand cut slick tires!!! I watched those video's again...cracks me up... Harris at Yas Marina "it's a whole new thing boys and girls..."... "it's on a whole new level...a different solar system" ... SS "it's so much faster, everywhere" vs 918

It's curious isn't it...that the 1 mile drag race vs Ducati and 918 was teased first, it got all the boys here wet (P1 blitzes 918 after 150mph...blah blah blah ...and that suspect 30 sec run to 200mph for 918 (918 has run 0-180mph in 17.5sec, 186 in under 19, but needs an eternity to get from there to 200mph?)...and then the in depth comparison follows, the hard numbers, the track beatdown that P1 received (again)... but wait... P1 has that sub 6:40 Ring lap time!!! Oh boy

According to the Mac head preacher here on F-chat, 918 has horrible brakes, it's waaaay too heavy, has compromised quality control trying to eek out more performance so it's not embarrassed by P1. 3 H2H tests confirms that 918 is simply faster machine...one with a GREAT infotainment system

 

Here's the real kicker...the tires developed for 918 had to meet criteria that are at odds with all out performance. Low rolling resistance for fuel mileage, and good treadwear rating for tire life. the real 'cup' tires are coming, barring any issues, Q3 2015 is what I last heard. Given the nature and length of 3 different tracks used for the H2H tests, 918 being faster by just under 1 sec, to 1 sec or more (EVO and Autocar), they are epic BEATDOWNS with those delta's.

 

Yup Yup!

They're coming!!

 

I really dont care
:-D. Maybe metallic silver grey is too heavy paint for
Porsche W(i)P.

 

I wish you all got out of the porsche's cave and be sane :-D.

Porsche will lose clients by your statements that is sold out already.

Here and there press media encourage clients to hurry with cash to Porsche. Have a look only on this one:
Porsche's 918 Spyder Is Nearly Sold Out ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

...better hurry! ..porsche is NEARLY sold out. As you can read further,
3 and a half months' building slots are still not sold out. One may count how many 918s are left assuming how many porsche is building a month.

..that simple livery on weissach pack .. I dont know where it had come from. Prom Salzburg? Why not from Stuttgart?
Never mind.

Maybe enough to understand now :-D.
bye