Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

They should re-call it P3/4

Oh, wait, Ferrari was first in that too

 

Alfa first used the name "P1" in 1923.

 

What about Porsce in 1898?

Porsche P1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

It was electric back then too. Alfa P1 was a real race car.

 

Has an electric motor too!

 

And bet it could manage a lap of a monza without electrical gremlins

 

Thank you

This explains alot

 

Very funny , lol

 

Hate to potentially detour from this fascinating discussion, but I recall at some point hearing someone talk about Porsche having a program of ongoing development and improvement for the 918. Yes, owners would pay for the privilege, but Porsche would continue to develop pieces and parts for the car that would serve as upgrades over a period of 10(?) years.

Is this correct? Any more info or details on this program?

 

I hope Porsche are listening, if true this would be very exciting

 

Its not an excuse. I dont care which car is faster. I dont have interest in McLaren or Porsche. Before you act all fortune-teller like, its a legitimate question. Are these tests done by race car drivers or journalists? Are they more comfortable pushing the Porsche or the McLaren? People pretend to know "what it is", but no one does, unless they themselves have driven both. Have you? A car being developed on a tire doesnt mean that tire is the best the car can run on. Thats why I asked why they chose Pirelli while Porsche went Michelin. You didnt answer the question, you just boasted opinions about the Porsche being superior.

 

P1 fans,
before trying to state desperate falls facts about 918 Cup 2 tyres, educate yourself with the above and mainly point 3...
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Excellent FACTUAL information! Quite the opposite of what the "other" P1 fanboys prefer to use which are based on ASSumed assumptions.

 

All Cup 2 tyres are semi-slicks, no matter how you cut it. The Speciale uses them too, albeit in a different specification. That doesn't detract anything from the 918 and there is no need for the Porschephiles to get all defensive.

 

918 Spyder (no weissach)
Quattroruote full review

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/918-spyder-quattroruote-road-test.51931/#post-717942

Top Speed: 347.833 Kph - 216 Mph (calculated)
acc:
0-60 Kph 1.5s
0-100 2.56s (prev record: Huracan 2.88s)
0-160 5.0s (99.42 mph)
0-200 7.27s (Prev. record: 650s 8.4s)
0-250 11.4s
0-300 20.6s
400m 9.9s @ 234.3 Kph
1 Kmh 18.0s @ 291.6 Kph (Prev. record: 650S 18.9s)

E-mode performances
0-100 Kph 6.0s
0-130 10.0s

Brakes
100-0 Kph 35.1m
200-0: 122.1m -1.29g (prev record: 458Speciale 124.2m)

Kerb Weight: 1,719 Kgs (QR weight: kerb + driver + instruments = 1,819 Kgs)
Tested Drag: Cx: 0.374, S: 1.95m

Vairano Handling
1'09"537 (prev record. Huracan on TrofeoR 1'11"796)
E-Mode: 1'21"750 (..as fast as a lotus Elise S....)

..fuel economy (Battery 100% / battery 0%)
City: only emode / 11.4 Km/l
road: 18.5 Km/l/ 13.2 km/l
Highway: 11.1 km/l / 11.1 km/l

What's Good:
***ALL***
Acceleration (5 gold stars)
fuel economy (5 gold stars)
overall performances
Brakes results and no fading
incredibly tecnology
Amazing to drive

What's not (...ahahahahahahah)
Brake feeling
review view (rear camera gives and hand)
very high engine noise (comfort)
weight a bit high


Final results
€ 800.000 is an high price? no, 918 is on another world!

 

Amazing results!!!

 

918 RESTARTED the car industry! Period!

 

Since it doesn't look like McLaren will ever release their Nurburgring time I used some factual information to come up with the conclusion McLaren could not have beaten Porsche. McLaren states that their DRS was deployed for 9% of the lap which means that they could travel at top speed for 1.16 miles; even if we gave the P1 the max speed of 217 mph and capped the 918 at 180 mph over this distance the P1 would only be ahead by 3.96 seconds. Now based on the Autocar's dry track info (1.1 seconds faster over a 1.8 mile track, the 918 would have a 7.17 second advantage (91% of 12.9 miles with a 1.1 second advantage every 1.8 miles) which means the P1 can not beat the 918's time.

To get down to the McLaren claim of 6 minutes and 30 seconds the car has to average at least 119 mph which we all now know the Porsche is faster at these lower velocities.

Some interesting information; to hit this average speed would mean the P1 must be travelling at its top speed for half the distance while at the other end of the spectrum the P1 could not average more than 21 mph.

There's a reason why McLaren won't release the time as the P1 couldn't beat Porsche and probably only just made it under 7 minutes.

 

918 tires are Eco-Performance tires specifically created and made for the vehicle. Therefore, they're as much performance as they are economy and all weather performance.

In order to do the high mileage thing Porsche wanted to achieve, the tires had to have low rolling resistance-for mileage, certain wear-ability, and we performance (despite Autocar's latest wet test). So these aren't maximum, all out performance tires despite their "Cup" moniker. Porsche was trying to get the highest EPA mileage rating, all season performance, and track performance they could, all things being equal.

When ever Porsche releases their new upcoming 918 performance tires, that objective doesn't have to be met (low rolling resistance for economy, etc.). So one would presume the performance would be better indeed.

 

Thanks

If I could add: One could reasonably figure that out--by the various H2H track events the 918 won, including those tracks that didn't even favor the 918.

When you throw in the fact, the 918 accelerates as good or faster; brakes better, and can pull out of turns faster (to go along with the H2H track performance), it's only understandable the P1 was never going to beat it at The Ring. It was all loud posturing/Innuendo by McLaren, and their slick internet campaign of paid and unpaid fanboys peddling that stuff.

 

Thanks for the info.

Would love to see a certain Big On Talk, Small On Facts Hyper-brid perform a test such as this with various international publications one, several days??

One of the other Hyper-Brids, has repeatedly posted similar #'s via numerous news sources all round the world. And all were better than Porsche's factory claims

Can another vehicle, and it's loud, vociferous cult say the same?

 

McLaren P1 at Fiorano.

Yes, you read that correctly.

[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3v_DJLKNXwA[/ame]

 

This has been shared already: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143473261-post13460.html

And to make things clear, this was recorded the same day the owner went to the factory back in May/June, but has only been upload yesterday.

 

Impressive speed!!

 

Will the Ksegg one1 beat the N ring time?