Revs counter is also a 7200tr/mn. Look like a 2.7 carrera counter
Good catch interior photo is not of a 1975 Turbo as it has a different tach and speedometer. The poster is not dated but was advertised (free with mail-in coupons) in the September 1975 Hobby magazine. On second look, it does appear the photos are a compilation of 1975 Turbo photos and are not the same car. Its still unclear if S-04664 was a registered 75 Turbo or a car undergoing testing prior to delivery. The two S-04664 photos do not show the roof (sunroof unknown). It seems unusual that a car that already passed through Porsche testing would have a rear wiper that was not parallel to the side of the rear window (easy 2 minute fix). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ryan I still think the red S plates may be test plates. Here are a few photos from the same period that show these same style plates: two 924s in test at Weissach (S-04714 and S-04777 Aug 76 Christophorus) and two 76 Turbos during checkout test (S-04814, S-04815 May 76 Christophorus). Additionally, a 76 Turbo Carrera in "Tribute to the Turbo Carrera" has a red S plate (S-04318, albeit square due to the large bumper pads) during checkout/test. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi idart, just saw you got a 1975 Turbo...may I ask if your VIN is 160 or 186? I had the 186 before... Thanks, cal
Hello Idart, i just saw you have a 1975 turbo...is it the 160 or 186? I owned the 186 a few years back.... cal
They are dealer plates and the factory uses them to this day (this is the Porsche Museum's 4.0 RS). Image Unavailable, Please Login
New Pano article on the 930 has a nice image of '75 #242s Texas plate that I was not able to make out when it was for sale at Road Scholars. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hello, just to make sure that nobody get's too enthusiastic about these plates. As said, they are special plates that can be mounted on any car for driving on the public roads (main purpose is identification and insurance). The "S" stands for Stuttgart, the number is just random. Every region in Germany issues such plates. Typically those who have the need to drive/ test many different cars are ordering those (typically dealer, garage, manufacturers etc). cal
Unfortunately I have only a few pictures...... it was only modified in one point - it got a RS front bumper. The pictures are about ten years old. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Besides: recently (since ±12 month) the prices seem to explode for the 930 Turbo. At least the prices are advertised at around US$ +100k. I am just wondering if these prices are really paid. Even though the model was undervalued before in my opinion, but the speed of raise is just very fast. The second issue is: whereas I can follow the price jump for the 3.0, I cannot really for the 3.3. Funny enough that the 3.0 are often valued below the 3.3 arguing that the 3.3 is more powerful etc (I just miss the point why this should stand for more value - always thought that prices are related to a bit different aspects for classics like availability, history, etc) Anyway, as an owner I am curious where the values of the beast is heading to...
If you take the Lamborghini Countach as a comparable, then the line of desirability becomes more obvious. A little while ago the very early 'periscope' cars had little or no premium over the later cars. The 'qv5000s' was less desirable than the run out Anniversery model, and all variants were 'unfashionable'. Today this has all changed, top of the tree are the very early periscope cars, these represent the Countach in the purest form, the lightest, rarest, and most difficult to find. This year there have been some spectacular sales with at least one breaking the 1m dollar threshold Lamborghini Countach ?Periscopica? sells for record $1.21 million | Hemmings Daily Next in terms of desirability comes the middle year cars such as the qv5000s, still pure, and a worthwhile evolution of the original with more power, one sold this year for 319,000 dollars. 1986 Lamborghini Countach 5000 Quattrovalvole | Amelia Island 2014 | RM AUCTIONS And then come the special edition run out, last of the line cars, still hugely desirable but the most recent evolution and the one most likely to have been dry storred in a bubble at home. These cars have little of the purity of the early cars, and have 'lost there way' a little, still great, but, NOT like the original. So the early 'periscope' is the 3.0 litre turbo of 1975, 1976 and 1977. The 'middle year' cars are the early 3.3 litre cars of 1978, 1979. And the 'later cars' are the run out 930's of the late eighties. Do you agree?
Nice to learn that 930s had Stuttgart plates during testing at Weissach, road testing, etc., and as Joe mentioned, they still do this today (Porsche Museum's 4.0 RS). Beautiful car! Do you know the color? I dont see it listed in the 1975 factory color book. Thanks for posting the photos.
Funny that I can not find the car with the regular search in ebay.... only the direct link works. This company drives me crazy..... even if i look into 67gritty items listed section it does not show up....
Absolutely, This trend applies to just about every significant classic car. Late production cars are valued above early production until a certain point in time, after which the early cars wlll take off and surpass later cars in value. All arguments about higher power output, synchro boxes, creature comforts etc. become irelvant. Developments associated with later cars will eventually be regarded as clutter and extra weight which compromise purpose, handling, design of the original concept. A few examples are: Big Healeys (3000 vs. 100/6 vs. 100/4) Jaguar XKE (series-3/12 cyl. vs. series-1/4.2 ltr. vs. series-1/3.8 ltr.) Porsche (911 F vs. G) (930 3.3 vs. 3.0) Lambo Countach (as described by flumpy) etc. etc.
I think one exception is the 1989 with the 5-speed gearbox. The 1989 model year is a great car but I dont understand the drum beat for the 5-speed. It was unloved by road-testers of the time, the heaviest 930 ever built, more electronic gizmos than any 930, 5-speed transmission that was never homologated, etc., but the Pano, Excellence, etc. articles price 1989s higher than the 3-liter Turbos. If you really want a good daily-driver air cooled 5-speed Turbo, wouldnt you just buy a 964 or 993 Turbo?
I sold my 77 Green 930 to a guy in Germany sight unseen in person for $26k, I had some great times in these early 911s had a few others, however they overheat in warm climates and a/c is not worth messing with BTDT as it makes the cars even run hotter with a/c thats like a mouse blowing on a ice cube. Great winter cars though, I got caught in Death Valley in a blizzard one year with mine that was a interesting drive through there with snow on the road.
When I saw this picture earlier in PANO it caught my eye as there was a Red Dot on the Clutch Pedal. Seen the Dot before on the Brake Pedal on the early cars when Porsche added the Brake Booster but never before on the Clutch Pedal. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes, the 89 has traditionally been valued at higher prices. The attraction being the 5 speed box and 1 year production. It is also the heaviest and arguably most cluttered of them all. I think it will eventually be left far behind (in the market that is) by the early cars. I wouldn't give any magazine articles much attention. Generally they just relay old news and are at best a few years out of sync with real world trends.
I noticed that as well and I don't believe it is period correct for a 1975. Points deducted at Pebble Beach?
The October 1974 Auto Motor and Sport featured an article on the new Turbo, a young Niki Lauda, and test of the 1975 Chevrolet Corvette (0-100 km/h, 7.5 sec). In the photo taken at the October 1974 Paris Salon, you can see the placard introducing the new flagship model as the Porsche Turbo. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
