Effect on scuderia prices with the M458-T release.

Do you guys think that the scuderia prices will get effected a lot once the new M458-T gets released? Your thoughts.

 

Probably very little, 2 very different kind of cars. The rawness is just something the 458 anything can't achieve.

 

Except that Scud prices have been rising over the past year. Same with the Challenge Stradale which may be rising even more despite being "older". Probably rising because of a supply issue as well as a desire of many for a more visceral/raw style of driving experience. For example many prefer the superfast transmission for its rawness over a dct which is obviously very smooth, has more gears and shifts faster.

There are many buyers, especially with the cars all being so fast now, who place "how the car makes them feel" up higher than absolute lap time. These are the same types who like cars like the GT3 RS 4.0--another car which has nothing but gone up. Far from obeying the "older models will get cheaper" rule that is typical. I could go on and on with examples (f40, 288, enzo, carrera gt etc etc).

Fact is that naturally aspirated engines are becoming a rarity. In addition, CS's and scuds are starting to move from "hotter latest and greatest hands" into those of collectors who tend to hold on to them. For these reasons, I would think there is a stable or rising bid for these cars. In fact, once the turbo comes out--that may be a catalyst for a move higher as people start realizing that the scud and CS offer an experience that is very different and just as special and probably never to be made again.

 

some get better like scuds.

 

so i guess the f40 and f50 are alot cheaper now ??

 

Prices will rise... It's not all about spead.... It's more about the feeling and experience as well as uniqueness. The scud is a verry different car with all of the carbon fiber and with the stoped out interior and aggressive transmission... Got me it's an event when I drive it... You don't get that from a 458 or from most sports cars for that matter.

 

I think it will affect more on the current 458 Italia and Speciale (if they release a speciale version of 458T). For the scuds, I think slowly it will increase its value or just hold at $200-225k for low mileage scuds. Its a nice car, also keep in mind that M. Schumacher was involved in developing this... it's really for keeps if you ask me.

 

I think the prices for low mileage Scuds will go up. Only time will tell, unless someone has a crystal ball. I just hope all this speculation doesn't make owners stop driving their cars for fear of depreciation due to high mileage. The car is just too good to let it sit and collect dust.

 

Well said.

 

Agree that the price of the N/A Speciale, my current dream car, will likely hold its value well as a result of the new T. Sad for me as it may price me out of the market.

 

458 T would be less desirable to me than an NA 458 or a scud...regardless of power. But a lot of people just want the latest and fastest so it will certainly impact the market to some extent. Not sure that the buyer of a 458T is cross shopping the scud though.

 

What if the 458T is a great car and blows you away, like the rush of an F40?
All this speculation that the T will be less of a car will be debunked

 

I'm sure the new car will have great performance. Some, like me, however, will always prefer natural aspiration. As a result, the current Speciale may become a collector's car sooner than others have before it.

 

I think the speciale , scud as well as the cs will all have the potential to maintain or even increase in value (after the speciales initial fall).. I think there will be a group of collectors looking to get all three and that is the type of demand that will drive pricing..
either way I m keeping my scud... no amount of additional speed makes up for the incredible feeling I get every time I pull the car out of the garage..

 

I'm sure it will be a great car; I'm sure it will be faster.

It will be absolutely nothing like an F40 though or any car from that generation.

I also doubt it will be like the scud - it isn't intended to be.

Just a matter of which tool and experience you want for the given task.

 

For sure the upcoming 458T will be faster and better performance compare to the Scud no doubt about that... but it won't affect on the pricing or value of the Scud in any way, it's a totally different car. Many purists would still choose the Scud over the 458T thats what I think. The 458T is more on daily driven or weekend drives, not a track car like the Scud. If you ask me, I'd get a used speciale without letting go my Scud of course... the first thing that 458T will affect are the 458 Italia and Speciale NOT the 430 Scuderia. Cheers!

 

Banned user - with quotes like this I can see why!!! lol...

Sure if you buy a Hona Civic and it gets old it will without any doubt be cheaper. However... If they made a limited run of Honda Civic road cars that were based on a one make series for gentleman racers, were mega special, very light, crazy fast, loads of carbon and make the noise of the gods...

Then I dont think that would be the case...


See where I'm going with this LOL ....

 

What if the crying from the audience is wrong and the 458T really is a great Ferrari?
The F40 seemed to turbocharge people's passion too - and recall it was a derivative of the stock 308 engine, something that may be very close to the 458 to 458T situation

 

No one is crying...well maybe one person ; )

It's not comparable. The the 458 turbo will be an awesome car. it will have a great motor and it is built on a tremendous platform with amazing technology.

But it will not melt people's faces and redefine what a super-car is...that is what the F40 did. That is what the LaFerrari, P1, and 918 are doing today. The F40 was so much better than everything else that people could not understand how it was so good.

 

I agree with many here. Many will go and buy the new T engined cars or hybrids, mostly bcz its the latest newest thing released. Ferrari will never have any trouble selling them too. Yet some of those new customers haven't tried the "older" N/A engined cars, thus will never know how true and raw they are. I for myself plan to keep my Scud for ever. Drove many exotics, never once came out of one and said damn this thing feels better than my Scud.

 

Well said

 

I know what you meant about the F40 having a turbocharged engine and also the upcoming 458T... But the F40 is in a different category/class like the 288GTO, F50, Enzo and LaFerrari. No doubt the 458T will beat the older models like stradale, scud and maybe even the speciale, but in the long run those 3 older models will have better value than the 458T.