F1 set for three-car teams

I got it, 3 teams 7 cars each. Each team has to have a minimum of 3 NASCAR drivers, that will spice things up and give Bernie a real issue to deal with ......

 

OK, my bad

Yes, I want to see the best drivers as well. But the best drivers will be in the most prestigious series, a serie where the best manufacturers are competing against each other. And this is F1 rather than IndyCar or GP2 as you reffered to. But even more I want to see interesting racing, because a boring race including the best drivers in the world is still a boring race.
I hope that the rolebook does not change to often in near future as when it is more stable the competition is getting closer, in the first year(s) there is almost always one team that gets it much better than everyone else (like MB this year).

 

Well, that´s your choice. Personally, I´m REALLY interested in the cars.

And if all the F1 cars are the same, then I can´t understand why one is a lot faster than the others.

 

Why do the cars so often qualify and finish ordered by team?

 

It appears so.

 

Could you please email this to Claire Williams at Williams F1? - In an interview on the BBC's F1 coverage, she was claiming that three car teams are not a a part of F1 history or what F1 is about!

(I couldn't help shouting at My TV that it showed what she knows about the history of F1!)

 

I havent cared about Indy for years. Probably even before march entered the scene. Once they stopped building their own tubs I could care less whose paint job was on the side of the car.

I watch GP2 (only occasionally now) to see the next F1 up and comers.
Most drivers from the series now just don't have "it".

 

+1

Who cares?

Outside of Indy, does anyone actually watch those things these days? It's just another spec series, with spec aero and engines. A little faster than spec Miata, but the same principle.

Design it, build it, race it, develop it. On a level (given the $!) playing field. Don't like it? Can't afford it? Bugger off somewhere else then.

Looking at some of the guesses as to budget needed, I can't really see where (my much hated!) customer cars are going to save much money; The PU's are the major expense. OK, buying the tubs saves some money, but in the scheme of things, not much IMO.

There's more than enough 'spec series' out there. Please let's not go down this road with F1.

Cheers,
Ian

 

This.

Plus they ruined their looks with the semi covered rear wheels

 

+1 I'm all for 3rd cars but only the original teams can run them. For example, the principle of Red Bull giving a car to another team would be terrible for the sport. Now if Red Bull wants to operate a 3rd car themselves, then I am all for it.

As I said awhile back...only let the top 6 WCC finishing teams be able to run 3rd cars. Their points cannot count for the following year WCC but do count for WDC. Teams running 3 cars choose which 2 cars have their points count. Would be a lot more interesting.

There is already too much of F1 moving towards a spec series as is. Customer cars would be a disaster, who wants to see that? Some really wacky ideas being thrown around these days. That said, 3rd cars if implemented properly could be great IMO

Agree 100%. Idiotic idea that was a knee jerk reaction after Wheldon died. Indy cars are even uglier than F1 cars and that is saying something. The mid 90s indy cars were among the best looking race cars ever.

 

Wouldn't it require re-writing the Indy rules?
I doubt Ferrari would be interested in supplying under stressed lumps to a spec. series.

 

Lets bring a bit of reality in here!:

Ferrari had been making threats to leave F1 in order to get their own way for a number of years up to this point.

They realised that yet another: "Either this happens or we're off" threat on it's own was no longer going to work and so this time, they actually built a car in order to convince the FIA that it was a real possibility this time and not just an empty threat.

The FIA bought it and gave Ferrari what it wanted.

The reality part is that the Ferrari Indy car was a complete white elephant!

Had it ever of entered Indy racing then it would have been humiliated!

An inspection of the car years later revealed that the chassis was massively over weight compared to the cars who would have been their rivals, the engine was overweight and underpowered and it simply wouldn't have been competitive!

Had the FIA had the chance to inspect the car at the time, and compare it to the regular Indy cars of the day then they would have completely ignored it and not given in to Ferrari.

I suspect Claire Williams is actually well aware that F1 has had three car teams in the past and was referring to the modern history, however, she should have made this point more obvious to the viewers as it did come across as being a bit ignorant about the sport.

As for:

I don't think any F1 team would be happy having a sponsor dictate how their team should be run!

For example, lets say that one of your sponsors is Pepsi, and the other is Go Daddy, and the way the deals have been worked out, Pepsi actually pay a lot more for their car than Go Daddy do (Lets say because Vettel is driving the Pepsi car and Ricciardo is driving the Go Daddy car).

Vettel is running third on track, but holding up Ricciardo badly due to having no pace on old tyres.

Now if Ricciardo could get past Vettel then he could actually gain on the first two cars and challenge for the race win, but suddenly Pepsi tell you that they want Vettel to stay ahead of Ricciardo so that their brand is on the podium and if that doesn't happen then they'll pull the plug on their sponsorship.

So what do you do? - What's best for the team (risking losing a large part of your race budget), or what's best for your biggest sponsor? (at a cost of a race win).

So straight away you need to double the amount of personnel who work on the cars and your team has two sub-teams racing for the good of their sponsors rather than the overall good of the team, creating a whole load of infighting!

Suddenly you will have walls built between your two crews, no data sharing between the two factions and you will lose out to any team that still has one sponsor for both cars and full control of their team.

The whole idea is a complete non-starter as I see it!

 

The 637 car was built for with the least amount of money possible purely to blackmail the FIA - There was never a serious intention to carry out the threat to go CART racing!

It wasn't just a mock-up because the FIA would have realised instantly that it there was no threat of Ferrari leaving F1 whatsoever, but the car was never seriously put through its paces and only ran a couple of times at Fiorano.

As Bobby Rahal has said about the Ferrari Indy/CART car: “In the end, Enzo was just pulling everybody’s chain"

 

The FIA are not suddenly going to change everything about F1 just to appease the US fans because F1 in the USA is still a comparatively minor sport! - What the US fans understand and want is of little interest to F1 because F1, unlike NASCAR and INDYCAR, is not solely reliant on US fans!

Unlike NASCAR and INDYCAR, F1 is a team sport, and there are probably more fans of teams than there are of individual drivers (especially in Ferrari's case).

Some fans find team orders "abhorrent "? - Then they are ignorant of the history of F1 and exactly what F1 is all about!

 

So for me it is a foreign language but what is your excuse?

 

How many times have we heard this and F1 is not only surviving but making more money than ever.

Sahara, FI's primary sponsor has a CEO that is going to jail otherwise I don't think Force India would be going anywhere.

 

Do you think with 3 cars teams the WDC would become more or less important than it is now compared to the WCC?

 

Thank you, but it is still a foreign language so as soon as you use common phrases I am not familiar with I am certainly lost. With some of them not even a dictionary helps...

I was indeed a little bit surprised as this was coming out of the blue and from you. If it was "someone different" I would have not been surprised if this was an elegant circumlocution for calling me a wanker...But I have learnt now that this would rather be "you pleasure yourself" But anyway thanks for the clarification.

Well this is more "social media" than familiarity with the language.